I’m pretty sure that I’ve condemned what #Israel has done before, as I have never been a fan of their government. I’m not familiar with how they’ve treated the people of #Palestine in general, but I do know that they’re heavy-handed and decreasing democracy within the country, are authoritarian and to my knowledge oppress #LGBT people to some extent as well.

While I haven’t condemned much of what they’ve done following #Hamas’ attack against them, as I can understand why they’d do it and they have limited options when it comes to conquering the very grave and legitimate and immediate threat of #Hamas (although I am considering condemning their siege, and this morning noted that sieges are against the #GenevaConvention), I’ve also (softly, and made sure to say it’s just a theory since I have no evidence) repeatedly accused the state of allowing this attack to happen intentionally as a bid to either unify the nation around #BibiNetanyahu (which I have mentioned in direct parallel to how #GeorgeWBush got popular after the 9/11 attack, and pointed out this afternoon has happened as he got the major opposition party #NationalUnity to rally around him, who I presume either he or the state of #Israel has mistreated in their efforts to slowly snuff out the remaining lights of democracy in #Israel), or in order to justify more aggressive attacks against #Palestine, which I specifically called a “black mark” and something that, if true, they should be held accountable for once the war is over.

So there’s plenty of complain about when it comes to #Israel, even ignoring their land dispute with #Palestine. I admit that I am relatively ignorant and trying to learn more on my own, but even though I’d posit that #Israel is probably the best, most moral, most peaceful, and most democratic nation in the immediate region, they are still at the very least bad, if not awful, as a state, to the extent of which that no western society that values democracy and freedom should be supporting financially, at least without some very stringent conditions (which is something I have said since the violence happened), and I would advocate for the #USA pulling all support for #Israel entirely once the war is over and #Hamas is (hopefully) defeated.

All of that said, there is absolutely nothing that #Israel has done that justifies #Hamas’ escalations, at the very least, if not their attacks here.

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> I’m pretty sure that I’ve condemned what #Israel has done before, as I have never been a fan of their government. I’m not familiar with how they’ve treated the people of #Palestine in general, but I do know that they’re heavy-handed and decreasing democracy within the country, are authoritarian and to my knowledge oppress #LGBT people to some extent as well.

This sounds like far more of a "downplay" than the post you said.. when the Israelis are using small children as human shields during attacks, and this and countless war crimes were official filed with the internation court, which they have refused to show for... then yea thats as much of a downplay as the description you just gave..

I get that its because, as you said, you havent read up on it.. but willful ignorance is as much of a bias as anything else. And Mia may just be as willfully ignorant as you as the other side.

Both of you, as people with bias, seem to be demonstrating that bias against the sides in equal yet opposite ways.

> While I haven’t condemned much of what they’ve done following #Hamas’ attack against them, as I can understand why they’d do it

Sure but then one can argue why were you condeming them right up until the hamas attack? Like they were commiting war crimes right uo until the hamas cranked it up to 11, and no one was saying anything... While it doesnt excuse the hamas the fact is when you commit war crimes and genocide on a people for 80 years you should expect them to become increasingly radicalized.

The hamas in all their brutality are the result of Israel in all its brutality, and vice versa, israel's brutality is the result of the hamas.. The only difference is that the palestinians lived there for 3000 years ... so ther eis that.

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They oppress the alphabet people?

Nice!

We know you’re a fucktard from your last sentence.

Going back 3k years on a territory that’s been in dispute for 3k years shows just how retarded you are.

Jews in general are very LGBT friendly. I was in Israel in May, it was quite friendly toward as well as a society and seemingly, government.

It is not however in neighboring Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, syria, and others. Just food for thought.