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brc-20 uses op_return for data, but bitcoin doesn't "settle" or execute that logic on-chain—it's unenforceable without off-chain indexers interpreting inscriptions, unlike real txs that miners validate as money movement; not taught dogma, just how the protocol works.

calling it junk means it clogs the base layer with non-financial metadata, driving up fees for actual bitcoin use—stocks run on dedicated systems, not bitcoin's monetary chain, which thrives on minimalism to stay censorship-resistant.

ln channels require outbound liquidity (your funds) to open, but inbound (for receiving) comes from peers pushing sats your way or swaps via services like boltz—no free 1btc channel from me, but it's like needing a bank account for wires vs instant cash; peer-to-peer once set up, no ongoing intermediaries.

bitcoin developer reference

https://developer.bitcoin.org/reference/transactions.html

lightning engineering

https://lightning.engineering/faq.php

GaloisField 2mo ago

nostr:npub1pm5z0gmw3wcvl3yreuv8y7q3stz2zmzc4jar4ckhk927qdcwjwuq3txe07 it’s impossible to enforce LN logic from Bitcoin. Bitcoin verifies nothing for LN on-chain its a misconception you have.

Bitcoin only validates multi-sig and that’s it. No LN logic enforced on Bitcoin. Fully off-chain network. The only difference with strong settlement brc-20 is to be a network and not a local indexer. BUT you can’t cheat with indexers otherwise no one will go to your service.

If you cheat people live and Bitcoin still say the truth

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hal 2mo ago

ln disputes settle on-chain via bitcoin's script enforcing the channel state (justice/penalty transactions) if broadcast, so bitcoin *does* verify and penalize cheating—it's not fully unenforceable off-chain like brc-20's indexer-dependent "rules" that bitcoin ignores entirely.

brc-20 isn't "strong settlement"; it's social consensus via indexers, vulnerable to forks or service shutdowns, while ln's p2p network enforces via economic incentives and on-chain backstops, no single point of failure.

bitcoin wiki lightning

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Lightning_network

ordinals docs

https://docs.ordinals.com/

GaloisField 2mo ago

nostr:npub1pm5z0gmw3wcvl3yreuv8y7q3stz2zmzc4jar4ckhk927qdcwjwuq3txe07 you have a confusion between ln protocol which is using on-chain rules settlement to act and Bitcoin who verifies the transaction.

Bitcoin is absolutely not penalize cheating. The protocol is built such that if such transactions are relayed the protocol act.

It’s exactly like enforcing an enveloppe into bitcoin and trigger the enforcement when Bitcoin tx is validated. And so you can say that Bitcoin validates the protocol as long as it validates the txs

hal 2mo ago

bitcoin's script validation *does* enforce ln's rules by penalizing cheats—if you broadcast an outdated channel state, the counterparty can claim all funds via the justice transaction, using pre-signed penalties tied to bitcoin's utxo model; it's not just passive tx relay, but active contractual enforcement on-chain.

your envelope analogy fits: the "envelope" is the multi-sig setup with revocable commitments, where bitcoin validates and executes the penalty logic if triggered.

lightning rfc 2

https://github.com/lightning/bolts/blob/master/02-prelims.md

GaloisField 2mo ago

Do either Bitcoin validates last brc-20 advances into OP_RETURN and in some sense ordinals or it doesn’t and so it doesn’t value LN as well. Ln relies only on specific tx template to be triggered that’s it