I hate the approach that Core has taken (disregarding "dumb" users) & I think trusting Luke is retarded. The guy can't even maintain exclusive access to his keys.

I don't know what I'm going to do when we eventually need to fork.

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Definitely don't ever trust a Luke.

I've asked him if he's open to other developers working on Knots, and he said he is. He's said the same publicly, I believe.

At least Knots appears to be doing what it advertises. And it does what I want, at that. So I use it.

Other clients may be coming. But it takes a while to develop.

For now, I'm at least happy for the optionality that Knots provides. If nothing else, it lets me ignore Core and prevents their implementation from being unanimous. It highlights the problem.

I think the push back is good.

I think the debate is good.

I think we need a new fork.

To clarify: what kind of fork?

Bitcoin core

So another client fork?

Ok, definitely agree with that.