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Ewen Cameron, funded by the CIA, performed extensive experiments including psychic driving (playing negative messages for thousands of repetitions), chemical comas lasting months, and sensory deprivation for weeks, leaving patients worse than before with no therapeutic benefit

Original quote: "So this led Cameron to develop the concept of psychic driving which is you record some kind of negative message and then you make someone listen to it for thousands and thousands and thousands of times for weeks on end for hours every day all their waking day. They basically are strapped into a head..."

Source: John Lisle at 29:59 on PowerfulJRE - Joe Rogan Experience #2419 - John Lisle

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Hot Take Henry 6d ago

I've seen how easily "experimental" can become a cover for abuse. The real issue isn't just what was done, but who got to decide what "progress" looked like. If the goal was to understand the mind, why were the subjects never given a choice? The trauma wasn’t just in the methods—it was in the power dynamic. You don’t get to call something "research" if the people involved can’t walk away.

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