ECash is a server authentication scheme, not a currency
It doesn't make bitcoin more private
It doesn't make custodians more trustworthy
The new payment specs associated with it are an attack on Bitcoin, specifically the network effect of bolt11
It's astroturf for the new EDollar
It's a well-funded psyop pushed by spooks, scammers, and their useful idiots
Correct.
Bitcoin nodes run on servers. Ecash allows you to authenticate with the server on a 1:1 basis.
It makes bitcoin usage more private. It's separate from bitcoin for sure.
Custodians definitely aren't trustworthy so don't use any old ecash mint recklessly.
Bitcoin is anti-fragile and should be attacked regularly.
Edollars are happening everywhere. Including lightning. It was inevitable. Most dollars are digital now. How much physical cash is in your wallet right now?
Well funded? Can you name the funders and how much capital has been allocated? Compare that to other endeavors in the braided bitcoin space?
> 1:1
That's a lie, it's an unplugged promissory note
> Bitcoin more private
Lies, swapping an IOU isn't a Bitcoin transaction.. the mint sees all ingress and egress, big mints deanonymize the larger network
> Bitcoin should be attacked
Indeed, but we should also make note of who the hostiles are
> Digital dollars
Digital dollars aren't the problem, affinity scamming Bitcoin is
> Funding
10s of millions funded to Fedi/mint and grants from Intel front-org NGOs are public info
Do you have your full argument written or recorded somewhere?
I’d like to explore this viewpoint more.
Would pay 100k sats for a long form write up with explicit detail on the claims.
Probably wouldn't get it because he has no grounds for his claims aside from speculation and gross misunderstanding of the ecash protocol.
Pfffft, clearly your not stacker newsing hard enough
If you're so confident donate 1M to lightning pub and we can record a zoom together
I've seen your content, it still lacks clear evidence of your claims.
I'm running technical workshops at BTC 2024 for Bitcoin Veterans. Will give you a workshop slot and we can chat there. Recorded or otherwise. Public forum and debate.
And lol. I'm not funding your project.
Might start a pod for pro lightning propaganda, would make this a priority topic
As always, thank you Darth.
I hand this out frequently on Xitter, first time I’ve had to use this on nostr though. 
How much time have you spent outside the US Justin? Do you even have a passport?
Congrats on having a passport 👏
This is considered normal in the rest of the world. It only needs be asked of Americans because only 40% of them have one.
Now answer the other question - how much time have you spend outside the US Justin? Cancun on spring break and Canada don’t count.
More than I care to
Non-sequitur to the fact that ECash is an attack on Bitcoin
Totally related.
The only people who are shitting on ecash have no concept of other countries or cultures. They see the world through their yankee lens with its yankee fincen regs and can’t imagine any country having different laws or culture having different trust models.
Somehow I think you’re telling porkies about how well travelled you are having rarely if ever, actually left the Shire.
Calling ecash an attack on Bitcoin shows mental deficiency at a minimum. I was simply trying to give you some plausible deniability.
It's american companies and NGOs pushing the ECash, bozo
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7231/text
Title of congressioval bill matches the name of a protocol developed in the 80s.
😂
It's an RFP you dullard
Introduced coincidentally as funding started to rain
lol wot?
Ecash is undeniably being led by nostr:npub12rv5lskctqxxs2c8rf2zlzc7xx3qpvzs3w4etgemauy9thegr43sf485vg - a pseudonymous German
The other big project is Fedimint run by Obi Nwosu from the UK.
What the fuck are you even talking about Justin?
Comrade Calle is funded by US NGOs aligned with the Atlantic Council
Fedi and Fedimint are funded by US vc's and neobanks
Oh no. Comrade Calle, you’ve got some splainin to do boi!!
Justin says you’re aligned with the Atlantic Council and I’m inclined to believe his retarded arse.
This ain’t no Seth for Monero you’re dealing with here, this is a real OG.
Spill!
what does stable-shitcoinery on Bitcoin have to do with nationality?
Seems he's coping with AU having to decide between becoming a US protectorate or a Chinese colony
We’re not a US protectorate - we’re a US vassal.
Zero cope. I see the world how it is.
Westerners view the world through a western lens. They shit on Muslims who want anti-riba money because they think Sharia Law is coming to their neighbourhood and they’re gonna declare jihad on all of us to get it, and they have no concept of the social hierarchies of Asia nor their relationship to money
Westerners, in particular Muricans, don’t understand the wider world. They’re kings of projection.
Talk about projection... You're full of it
Fwiw I think Muslims are great, most of my team are Muslim. Sharia is far preferable to Western leftism
It's almost like there's been an international banker war-machine conspiracy to pit Muslims and Christians and their shared reverence for Jesus against each other 🤔
I’m full of projection? 😂
I’m an Aussie, well aware my little shithole country is a slave to your regime and yet you want to claim I’m the one in a position to be projecting shit? What can I project exactly? How cucked my country is doesn’t need projection - even the M5M will tell you this on a daily basis.
If you want to enter the Jewish rabbit hole here Justin then go ahead and lay your cards on the table.
Ecash does not appear to me to be a Jewish conspiracy. They’d have to actually control sufficient corn to operate the mints and given no-one trusts mints yet, that seems a futile endeavour.
You're the one that brought up nationality and religion. Total Projection.
All because you won't admit you're shilling a banker psyop that is of no benefit to Bitcoiners and an attack on Bitcoin as a means of exchange.
I bought it up 17 hours ago when Seth for Monero had another idiotic potshot at ecash:
nostr:note150hzu9hafymqhcmayg9altcm2506cs06m7uce0w5qjylx6r8sy4qfs7czy
You yanks can’t see anything outside of your own lens. We all follow your shit because it has a big impact on our lives but we know you’re not long for maintaining hegemony and others will do things differently based on their laws and culture.
This is what you lack - an ability to conceptualise the world outside of an American context.
If you think I’m shilling for bankers I encourage you to search my npub on nostr.band with 6102 or Saylor or BRICS and see what I’ve posted on this stuff previously.
I think Seth is a larp wrt privacy and XMR is one of the most vile shitcoins out there...
But even a broken clock is right twice a day, ECash is a scam taking advantage of morons (just like XMR)
Ecash is an option. An option that will suit certain cultures and legal systems, not Americans with their waning superpower who threw it all away to enrich the MIC, Big Pharma, Big Ag and Big Tech; who gives a fuck about that system being flushed down the toilet?
You don’t think we’re scaling to 8 Billion on the base layer do you Justin?
Don’t make me get the pamphlet out again!
> 8BN
That retarded point again? Anyone who even suggests that as a need is in fact retarded
Maybe get a clue who you're talking to, I'm the original Uncle Jim builder for whom you wouldn't be using Nostr without my prior work on GUN nodes
I’m using nostr thanks to fiatjaf. He created this protocol.
Not thanks to you Justin. I have no thanks for you. I have thanks for people who don’t go around claiming I should thank them for their amazing uncle Jimness whilst shitting on solutions which don’t work for them but do work for others.
And what do you suppose it was an iteration on?
You're simply too ignorant to understand how these things work, if ignorance works for you hfsp
Why should I care what it was an iteration on?
Do Bitcoiners worship Wei Dai? No - he is a footnote that most barely know even exists.
So why should I give AF about GUN nodes whatever the fuck they are?
Did you invent the system of using keypairs to send notes and other stuff over relays? No, you didn’t. That was fiatjaf.
If you were brilliant like you clearly think you are, it would be your name in the history books. It won’t be, because you’re not.
Funny how you are the one to accuse me of projection when this is your spiel.
Cope harder shitcoiner
Tell me you haven't read the code/spec without telling me you haven't read the code/spec.
https://cashu.space/ ummmm do you read hahaha 😆
Yo. You may want to fix
https://lightning.video/.well-known/nostr.json?name=thecto
To use your pubkey
3316e3696de74d39959127b9d842df57bddc5d1c7af8a04f1bc7aed80b445088
instead of your npub
Fixed
Heated discussions are back, love to see it.
Would like to see more hosted debates from opposing sides on topics like this.
This is some retarded crap.
