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You know, it’s not the healthy and loved kids who grow up to “hope they will kill some Jews”. That’s what happens when hugs are replaced with whatever you got.

Jose Sammut 6mo ago

To clarify, I have no support, for any government, especially not the authoritarian governments in the Middle East.

The Israelis, and Jews broadly, are in support of the state of Israel and their actions that have caused harms to many across generations. Zionists.

The citizens, collectively, go a long way to support and empower the actions of their rulers. Whether knowingly, or through their lack of resistance. It is hard to have remorse, when you're free to protest, speak up, leave the country, renounce your citizenship.

The citizens whose freedom stands on the other side of violence are the only ones who I can pray for.

The Iranians who are actively fighting for freedom from their authoritarian rulers.

The Palestinians that are fighting for self sovereignty. Deprived of basic rights, food, shelter, energy, and with no way to improve their situation. No passport. No property rights.

Because if I was in their position, I would be fighting, like they are fighting. Those people I pray for. Those people I respect and have remorse for.

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Vincent 6mo ago

So you went from ‘kill some Jews’ to ‘all Jews are collectively guilty.’ Fascinating moral evolution. By your logic, all Palestinians are collectively responsible for Hamas, all Iranians for the Ayatollahs. Or does collective guilt only apply to Jews?

Jose Sammut 6mo ago

Why are you assuming that Hamas are not justified to launch attacks against Israel?

I said, if I was in their situation, and my only path to freedom was violence, that is the path I would take.

Yes, broadly, the Palestinians are responsible for the actions of Hamas.

But the blood rests not on Palestinian hands. Israel assumed control over Palestinian property. Violently.

Israeli military occupation policies, settlement expansion, and legal rulings that prioritize Israeli control over disputed lands, leaving many Palestinians without effective legal protection for their property.

So yes. Responsibile. But not guilty.

Vincent 6mo ago

Except it’s not the only path for freedom. Israel offered peace and statehood repeatedly - 1947 partition, Camp David 2000, Olmert 2008. Gaza got full autonomy in 2005. The response? Terror.

This behavior becomes the ‘only path for freedom’ when your core mentality is based on old fundamentalist religious ideas with no concept of human rights or tolerance. Ask yourself if you would want to live in Israel or any other Middle East country.

Jose Sammut 6mo ago

Palestinians did not gain full control over their borders, and movement of goods and people remained heavily restricted in 2005.

2008 is said to have been procedurally illegitimate but the closest things ever got.

The rest heavily favoured Israel and legitimizing colonization and dispossession.

You're going too far back for my age. These are things I read about, but did not experience.

Vincent 6mo ago

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Jose Sammut 6mo ago

Ratioed. #GN

Vincent 6mo ago

I’d prefer an intellectual reply instead of dumb twitter catchphrases.

Jose Sammut 6mo ago

You got enough.

Vincent 6mo ago

Ok. Go back to daddy basement.

Vincent 6mo ago

Look, I can see you’re trying to wrestle with complex injustices and real suffering. But starting with ‘kill some Jews’ and then trying to intellectualize it isn’t the way. There’s legitimate criticism of governments, and then there’s wishing death on ethnic groups. You seem smart enough to know the difference. Why not focus that energy on supporting actual justice for all people?

Jose Sammut 6mo ago

No. And I take nothing back.

Don't try to two sides this.

There's people who I respect, support, pray for, and there are people who I don't care for.

Actions and consequences.

Inaction carries consequence also.

This is what agency is about.

Vincent 6mo ago

Actions indeed have consequences