yes but it isn't a conversation

our true self (human heart) only speaks when the garbage we intellectualize ourselves to be is forgotten

i don't like to quote but thus is apt

"to study the self is to forget the self" — Dōgen

in other words when we stop conceptualising like in the OP's graphic, the king / queen is on the throne — now stop conceptualizing my reply and find yourself

(I could quote Dōgen again here 🤣)

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"Dōgen mined the 'block' of self-forgetfulness. Now validate your tx."

concepts

but mildly funny 🤙

bespoke: the garbage we intellectualize is also our True Self