You personally might not fear it, but the 10,000 people of Tuvalu would probably have a different opinion.
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Is this an a.i. induced conversation on your end? Because I’m gonna be honest with you I have no fucking clue what Tuvalu has to do with westerners not having kids.
Ok, let me guide you;
You first said "people are told that having children is irresponsible because of climate change," and I replied that for some people that fear is actually real. (For example, Tuvaluans genuinely worry about having children because in the future their country may not exist due to climate crisis.)
Then you said climate fears aren’t real, so I pointed out *again* that Tuvaluans themselves experience this.
After that, you accused me of being AI and claimed Tuvalu has nothing to do with "Westerners not having kids," even though from the beginning I was talking about people everywhere, not just the West.
Your reading comprehension is very poor if you think I called you A.I.
I'm sorry, you are right. You said "a.i. induced." No, it’s not induced by AI.
I hope I helped you comprehend what Tuvalu’s situation has to do with Westerners (and all other people) who don’t having kids.
You did not. I don’t think Tuvalu’s plight is related to man made climate change nor do I think it is applicable to birth rates in the developed world
The scientific consensus is that Tuvalu’s situation is driven by climate change. People who actually see these effects naturally fear for the future and for some, that fear influences their decisions about having children. It’s one factor among many, not the only one. You said climate fear isn’t real, so I pointed to an example where it clearly is.
My argument remains the same: not everything is part of some big propaganda machine. Many of these decisions come from natural human emotions shaped by what people are witnessing around the world.
That’s window dressing for an ideology that prizes hedonism and consumerism over family in my view. I don’t think anyone in the western world is actually delaying or forgoing children because of climate hysteria. They do it because they’re self absorbed mainly and yes brainwashed by culture.
You’re reducing a wide range of economic, social and personal reasons to a “brainwashed culture.” That’s an extremely narrow way of looking at the world. Even if culture plays a role, the real discussion would be who shapes that culture and why. Your approach is so one dimensional that misses all the depth and complexity behind people’s choices.
And you seem to believe tens of millions of people all come to a decision that undercuts their own biological imperative on their own with no outside influence. Not buying it.
Look at developed nations with mass control structures verse non developed ones without them, and who has the birth replacement problems
No, I didn’t say people make decisions with zero outside influence. My point is that their reasons are diverse and reducing all of them to a single explanation like “propaganda” is one dimensional.
jumping to the conclusion that the cause is humans is so utterly callous and unjust that i just can't even.
islands are always under threat from the ocean. island people with any intellect will tell you this, because they have lived through all kinds of things. i have only been on an island for 2 years and i've already seen numerous minor incidents that could have been way worse with bad luck contriving a worst case scenario. i was curious about this and read of an incident in the 30s on this island where a really big amount of rock fell off a cliff in the region of Cabo Girao (cape of turning) that killed 19 people, because of a small, localised tsunami.
some islands are still growing. hawaii. some are stable, like madeira, cape verde, the canaries. the stable ones aren't sinking, because they are sitting on top of massive volcanic rock that pushed the island up in teh first place. just as it might be bad luck to be in a boat fishing when a volcano pushes land above the water, it can happen that land that was above water, has its foundations collapse. it can be due to tectonic movement affecting a wide area of the seabed, of which the tips above the water are just a fraction of what is sinking below the surface.
it's got nothing to do with climate change, because last i checked, venice beach is still there. california is still there. brighton beach is still there, several hundred years since they covered it in amusement parks and tourist amusements. the gold coast, in australia, is still bristling with sky scrapers right at the edge of the sea. where's the sea level rise?
complete. fucking. bullshit.
absolute lunatic cult brainwashed insanity.
the worst part of this fraud being prosecuted by the lying ass bitch psycho elites who are bankrolling this propaganda campaign against humanity itself, is that a very real, and very serious and very global natural disaster is looming in the future, the signs that our planet's shield is weakening are obvious to anyone who is watching the ratio between solar flare intensity and geomagnetic storm intensity is noticing.
the utter lack of preparation for this planet to have the crust slip due to excessive voltage penetrating the ground is extremely disturbing. the evidence, in rocks, in historical records, and the clear cyclic rhythm, tied to the rotation period of the galaxy are being ignored, and we are supposed to believe that by obeying their instructions, we will prevent disaster.
this is a blatant fallacy, and deception, because you can't falsify their claims. their claims started with their conclusion to build to the claims, instead of building from evidence to a conclusion.
it's really sad that people are still falling for this, but the misanthropic propaganda machine run by the people who most vociferously complain about the "useless eaters" who make their domination of humanity difficult... is running out of runway.
before 20 years time, the sun is going to put an end to their plans to enslave humanity with computers and genetic engineering.
and for what it's worth, while tuvalu's plate may be going down right now, that fact alone implies that the crust is weak there and the opposite, in fact, could occur. in fact, like the draw back of water before the waves crash, after the previous wave crashed, the current sinking could actually be a warning that there is a fracture in the crust there that might allow magma to rise up out of it, and then what's the complaint going to be? oh yeah, the new volcano, that i didn't move away from, covered my house in rock. aww. poor diddums.
letting people with no incentive to be honest with you, fool you into any kind of state of false alarm, or false comfort, is ultimately going to be on your back, when your lack of curiosity and self-initiative results in your house sinking under the waves, idk how to have any sympathy for someone who refuses to listen to the VOICE OF GOD which manifests most clearly for the majority of people, as a question that you couldn't live without being answered.
you have nobody to blame but yourself if you didn't do your homework.
this isn't babysitting. you are supposed to be an adult.
I’m sorry, but it doesn’t make sense or feel rational to me to believe that the work of countless independent scientists, people who publish peer-reviewed papers, work at universities and research institutes, and dedicate their entire lives to this field, is "propaganda," while personal anecdotes, apocalyptic speculation, and conspiracy driven assumptions are supposed to be the "truth.”
Omg where the hell did you drag that small island out. Lol... Tuvalu... 😄
I think about Tuvalu a lot... I can’t imagine what it must feel like to watch your homeland slowly disappear from the map, knowing you might outlive your own country.
What to say nature. Earth passes through stages of cooling and heating. Some stuff die off some new get born. I just see it as life. 🤷♀️ A times nature does what nature does.