I just can't get them to grow! Seedlings are either knocked off by slugs or they just die back. Never successfully grown one, but I can kill mint and other 'unkillable' plants on my property.

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I think we got ours from Raintree Nursery a few years back. They were decent size when planted.

I might need to buy plants that are older like that, rather than from seed or cuttings.