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Why Nostr is struggling…

There is too much of an overlap with X, not only in the feature sets among the primary applications, but more importantly, in the kind of audience that Nostr is catering to.

Sure..censorship resistance at the protocol level is a differentiator, but the to the average person, you may as well be talking gibberish. They don’t know wtf a protocol is in the first place - let alone why it matters for censorship resistance to happen at that level, or more importantly, WHY they should trust Nostr to deliver on that promise. “Bcoz nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m said so” is not an argument.

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Bluesky is a case in point here.

It’s got a VERY similar feature set to X, claims to be open source / censorship resistant (similar narrative to Nostr), and is growing MUCH faster than Nostr, bc it has captured a key audience, ie; people with TDS and EDS (Elon Derangement Syndrome).

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/bluesky-signups-surge-uk-amid-musks-row-with-government-over-riots-2024-08-13/?

I’ve been on there a few times, and the content quality is enough to make you want to throw up….but at the very least, it’s working for that kind of content, and for the people who want it.

I don’t have a direct answer here..but I think it’s something to do with the over-emphasis on technicals.

nostr:npub1az9xj85cmxv8e9j9y80lvqp97crsqdu2fpu3srwthd99qfu9qsgstam8y8 mentioned increasing the emphasis on design the other day. I agree this is a move in the right direction. We’re taking a very design-focused approach with nostr:npub15xd2mmjnh3caykh77djsv73e0zkrp42jp5mwerx8f4m6su40wdvss7t3l3 (we’ll have ALOT more to show in the next 6wks).

That being said, it’s not enough.

IMO, Nostr is technically mature enough for us to go out there and talk about it to more people, and build a narrative BEYOND the 500 of us that are talking to each other on here.

People like nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft or nostr:npub1dergggklka99wwrs92yz8wdjs952h2ux2ha2ed598ngwu9w7a6fsh9xzpc can correct me if I am wrong here. Maybe there’s alot more to do technically.

But if I am right, I’d like to see more initiatives that are marketing oriented being supported by nostr:npub17xvf49kht23cddxgw92rvfktkd3vqvjgkgsdexh9847wl0927tqsrhc9as and nostr:npub10pensatlcfwktnvjjw2dtem38n6rvw8g6fv73h84cuacxn4c28eqyfn34f and other coalitions. Maybe we even need a council of Nostr businesses, who together pool some funds to help drive some marketing initiatives?

Whatever the case, we need to expand upon the Nostr narrative, make it more compelling and speak to more people about it.

At the very least, we have to conquer then Bitcoiners. If we can’t get the segment who are into freedom money onto the freedom of speech network, we’re DOA. That’s a first step.

I know nostr:npub1hz5alqscpp8yjrvgsdp2n4ygkl8slvstrgvmjca7e45w6644ew7sewtysa is working on a very cool initiative in relation to this. The Nostr Booth is IMO a great way to make Nostr more “real” for bitcoiners by having a physical presence at all the conferences.

I know nostr:npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8 + nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 are doing some Podcast outreach. That’s super important too. nostr:npub16vrkgd28wq6n0h77lqgu8h4fdu0eapxgyj0zqq6ngfvjf2vs3nuq5mp2va and crew are putting on Nostriga. Amazing. nostr:npub16c0nh3dnadzqpm76uctf5hqhe2lny344zsmpm6feee9p5rdxaa9q586nvr / nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg are doing great things with nostr:npub1spdnfacgsd7lk0nlqkq443tkq4jx9z6c6ksvaquuewmw7d3qltpslcq6j7, etc on the content side. I’ve got some things up my sleeve personally which I will begin to do once nostr:npub15xd2mmjnh3caykh77djsv73e0zkrp42jp5mwerx8f4m6su40wdvss7t3l3 is in a position to represent a NEW kind of Nostr-product..

But we need MOAR..

And…we also need to find another angle that is NOT about censorship resistance. That’s clearly not working against X.

I don’t know the EXACT narrative or spin, but it has to be more “running towards” than “running from”.

More white pill, less black pill.

Anyway.

I will probably turn this into an article. I’ve been thinking more and more about “writing in public” as we build Satlantis, and sharing more about how we’re thinking about growing a “network product” on top of a “network protocol”.

If you think this was valuable, please repoast so more people can see and get involved in the discussion.

Getting paid p2p via zaps IS the killer app idea here surely?!

We need more real honest journalism on here…actual news, I would pay subscriptions for good journalism.

And more doers, I want to read more about what people are doing to make their lives better…inspiration and education and again I would happily pay someone a monthly fee for content like that. So ideally it would be able to handle the content being uploaded; multiple pictures and videos. Is that even possible without subscriptions/advertising revenue?

The censorship thing is not what most people care about (that could change of course) but I feel like getting paid p2p via zaps is the killer app idea here?! Anything else is starting from scratch.

We know that earning in Bitcoin is not like earning in Fiat. If just 5-10% of your income is earned via Nostr/Zaps in Bitcoin and you can save that for at least 5 - 10 years those sats will be worth considerably more. Main issue is we live in a debt based society, we’ve been brainwashed to think only about today, people only value the money that can be earned and spent today, it’s hard to change that mentality overnight!

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Zaps are definitely not the killer app. In fact, I think the focus on zaps does way more damage to nostr than good.

Eek really? Why do you think that? I feel like that’s the draw and anything else is starting from scratch. I get that the decentralised stuff is the underlying reason this exists but like Bitcoin you need the NGU draw the people, to then purple pill the orange pilled surely? Do people not pay with their attention first and then their money on social? The masses are hypnotised by money, they’re unable to see anything else unless you can trick or teach them?

The reason I came to Nostr is because I followed the people I love to follow. Some of them exclusively post here. I’m not a producer here, I’m a consumer. I assume you are both? I come here for content, the zaps make me want to produce content but also support more of the people I love to follow. We all look at the protocol from different perspectives I guess. What unites our want/need to be here?

Zaps are like pennies and coins we exchange for value, and in the coming years, 95% of the audience won't care about Zaps or lightning payments.

Right now, we care because it's new and necessary from a business perspective for fast and secure payments. ( for businesses and Creators ) only 5%

The majority (95% ) only care about value— news, fun, lessons, entertainment, connecting, and solutions to problems.

Five things that will excite the majority of the audience:

1. Simple and interesting UI/UX

2. Easy connection and discussion

3. Smooth loading and consumption

4. Privacy (no data collection)

5. No constant selling

Two main tasks:

1. Design to attract and entertain

2. Create marketing assets to rank fast