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Funny, while looking up info about coinpool, I was reminded of joinpool, found Harding's writeup on optech here: https://gist.github.com/harding/a30864d0315a0cebd7de3732f5bd88f0

which referred to a discussion by gmax on IRC here:

https://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-05-21.log

... only to discover that I was the guy he was discussing it with, and I had 100% forgotten having that conversation 😆

Do you think coinpool/paymentpool can improve coinjoin?

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I've always been doubtful about the idea of having larger groups regularly coordinating over the network.

Current coinjoin has very big coordination groups, but it's one and done, and i think that matters a lot.

If you just look at Greg's explanation of joinpool in that chat, it's clear that it represents a way better kind of wallet, in privacy terms - *if* you ignore the first above sentence.

Riard and Naumenko's coinpool concept was a lot more ambitious in trying to be a full off chain protocol, but iirc they proposed 2 or 3 new opcodes within their scheme.