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I agreed, and have thought similarly regarding machine learning, admittedly influenced by Apple conclusively employing the term until the recent marketing pivot.

Regarding emergence, can we replace it with the term self organization in order to ground it?

I can spontaneously discern nothing new or useful from your characterizations, the scale and direction of self organizing structures seem like valid, and practical theory to me.
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Callum 8mo ago

> Regarding emergence, can we replace it with the term self organization in order to ground it?

Thanks for this suggestion, I'll look into it. Frankly my understanding of how 'emergence' is used may be uninformed. I had assumed it referred simply to the emergence of a conscious intelligence (the possibility of which I reject). However if it refers to the emergence of self organisation then I am much more open to that. Perhaps that is the distinction you are referring to between weak and strong emergence? Anyway, it appears I need to do some reading here.

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Gregor 8mo ago

Yeah, I would have to read up again for more precise and dependable explanations, the emergence theory I encountered, a decade or longer ago, unrelated to any mass product marketing, concerned itself with self organization, and no presumptions to immediately model and explain consciousness. It did play with the notion of cellular automata, which I find uncontroversial, if only in its limited marketability.

I would happily hear your thoughts on the weak and strong emergence distinction.