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Filters don't matter. Economics does.

https://mempool.happytavern.co/tx/58ae7a318f19c580b14d3547d6c65d1a417bbe8980189d34c61b2d4161741dfb

nostr:npub1zsyt45zfh2u28zuhvp66lljp8s6jrwlw7ckvfn34255e7jt37t9qx0xwsm but muh filters

This was not out of band. I sent from my node directly to the network. I didn't "pay extra" I simply paid more than anyone else was paying at the time it was confirmed.

Dust tx in the OP_RETURN is also filtered by like almost all nodes. yet it was still confirmed at 1s/vb...

I HAVE NO INTEREST IN PUTTING DATA ON BITCOIN. I MAKE THIS TRANSACTION AS AN EXAMPLE ONLY. My reasons for removing filters is not to be able to put more data on chain, because as demonstrated, I can already do that. I have no interest in inscriptions. I have no interest in all the motives detractors will try to apply to me. My motivation is to remove paternal aspects from Bitcoins codebase and make it more maintainable. Filter exists to ensure users don't make unintended transactions, not to stop consensus transactions from getting confirmed. In that sense, things like the dust filter are probably good. And again, if we can fix witness stuffing, I'm all for it.

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𝕞ptf 5mo ago

So you paid 2x the highest fee. Seems filters work that it cost you more to spam the network. Good job filters are there so you can't spam cheaper.

OceanSlim 5mo ago

Filters didn't make it cost more...

𝕞ptf 5mo ago

Then why have core reduced the filters to lower transaction costs for dust transactions? This even reduces earnings of miners! LOL

OceanSlim 5mo ago

What do you mean core reduced filters to lower tx costs for dust? This makes no sense at all. A ridiculous statement. Also a tx with a low fee is more to miners than no tx at all.

𝕞ptf 5mo ago

Core standard settings are the default for most transactions. So now people will send transactions lower than 1vbyte. They just "economically" shot themselves in the foot.

OceanSlim 5mo ago

That isn't new

OceanSlim 5mo ago

And fee below 1s per vb doesn't have anything to do with dust

nomadshiba⚡ 5mo ago

while thinking short term some economic decisions might sounds better, while they are bad long term for everyone. we already have many examples of this, not just in bitcoin. this is just one more example. soft forks are still forks, changing bitcoin, changing the underlying field everybody plays on. and many of these made possible and "economically viable by soft forks".

if you showed some computer case to someone from middle-ages, they would melt it for metal. sometimes people can't understand if what they do is the best economic decision. and we have one bitcoin. we can't afford experimenting with soft forks, changing consensus. but we can afford experimenting with 100 different node implementations with different opinions. after all, nodes are a software talking in behalf of the bitcoin users. and like in any free speech society, people can decide to share information or not, or when. filters matter because they work. after all, not all rules in a society are laws. not all rules in bitcoin network are consensus.

OceanSlim 5mo ago

Have I not demonstrated clearly right here that they don't work...

nomadshiba⚡ 5mo ago

you dont have to.

OceanSlim 5mo ago

That's not what I meant by economics... What I mean is miners are self interested, not altruistic. As they should be. I don't mean you can make more money without filters... Making non concensous transactions is literally throwing money away.

nomadshiba⚡ 5mo ago

but thats what i meant, when there is no bitcoin anymore miners cant make money