For 2 years I've been begging anyone to tell me why ecash is superior to running a lightning node. The only answer is the tired old "muh node too hard" trope.

Modern humans are *so stupid* that they will say running a node is too hard and then walk around with their sats in a pocket full of holes.

The whole point of Bitcoin is trust no one, verify it yourself. If we do not purge this "we need trusted custodians for Gam Gam" mentality we've been stuck in lately, this "mass adoption" everyone is so psychotically fixated upon will be meaningless. Mass adoption via custodians is not freedom money.

I can't see a single problem Ecash solves that a lightning node doesn't solve more elegantly, and ecash introduces new problems as well. I don't blame Agron; it's a larger cultural problem. Everyone here seems to be chasing a misguided incentive where they do the work of a node for the masses who aren't ready yet. Learning about why Bitcoin matters takes time and real work, but too many are trying to be the guy who invents a short cut to some watered-down "mass adoption".

A peer-to-peer electronic cash system is a node-to-node electronic cash system. Running a node is the standard, and anything less is simply not going to be good enough. If bitcoiner types truly want mass adoption as they say, they should be hyper-focused on how to run more lightning nodes in more places more easily.

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ecash folks started by accenting how it solves the privacy issue, but now we have bolt12 spec which is way better and easier. Now they say but lightning can't scale as easily as ecash. Fuck custodians; bitcoin was created to eliminate third parties.

If one can't run a node, better keep your money in a bank.

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You got a point. I still use it but I get you

This kind of frivolous nonsensical elitism is so idiotic.

Digital, global,sovereign p2p cash never has existed. Nobody took it away from you, nobody hijacked it with some conspiracy. We do have a global network, that has the ability for individuals to be sovereign if they so choose, but its is in no way scalable to all 8 billion people. It also has cash like properties like the ability to be transferred from addresses to addresses.

The key that lies here is that there is a base layer of IMMUTABLITY that allows the individual TO CHOOSE when to enforce the sovereignty of their keys. Life REQUIRES trust of varying degrees. You TRUST that the assumptions of the cryptographic primitives of bitcoin will work. You TRUST that energy will always have a cost and never be free. You TRUST that the incentives stay aligned to keep its ledger true.

So parading around like fuck everyone's ability to choose and sovereignty or nothing absolute-ism is a fucking retarded position to take.

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