I’m just ignorant of Palestinians as a structured society. If they had a popular enough spokesperson. Case in point I have no idea. My joke about Hamas was sardonic as I don’t feel they should speak for Palestine. But power dynamics of the real world don’t obey my feelings
Sounds like there are ambassadors, tho. Have there been elected Palestinians that would be willing?
Yes, there have been elected Palestinians.
They ran their own country as a parliamentary democracy when it was a Mandate of the British Empire. (Britain kept Defence and Foreign Affairs).
Under occupation, the quality of democracy declined. Palestine last held a general election in 2006, The "wrong party" won, so the USA and Israel intervened violently to prevent future elections.
Palestine still has appointed Ambassadors to most countries, but Israel maintains an effective veto so they're usually not great public speakers. A representative from Palestinian civil society groups would be more useful, there are many, and they are routinely refused permission to speak on such talk shows. They might say something that would change viewers minds...
I just wonder if Jewish and Arab societies will never get along, given their fundamentalist ideologies… and the west just happened to pick the Jewish side. But in other dimension the USA and Palestine are allies and Jews would be the refugees… 🤔
I suppose awareness would for sure change minds. But perhaps some people will never be at peace until they both change their mindset?
Jewish, Christian and later Muslim Palestinians lived alongside each other for nearly two thousand years between Bar Kokhba and the rise of Zionism in the late 1800s. Many conflicts between local elite factions, some violent, but almost never religious in nature unless involving foreign intervention.
Modern fundamentalism is what forever-war does to society.
Happily forever-war is normally self-limiting via bankruptcy and subsequent reassessment of goals - but Israel is the world's largest foreign aid welfare recipient. The more crimes their govt commits, the more enemies the create, the more debt that gets printed and forwarded to them to spend.
Incentives. Incentives all the way down...
So do we try to make war unaffordable or pull aid/partnership with them? Or both?
Both, 100%.
A selective arms embargo would be a way to ease into it. Some Western countries have already started - Ireland and Spain.
I’d honestly imagine everyone just fighting till one side wins if/when the world pulls support.
Like how I imagine Ukraine/russia may end.
One side goes for the kill, then a new chapter of history starts. Maybe one with less war. Man who knows
War is expensive, and peace is very profitable. Negotiated settlements are the typical outcome once the foreign money dries up.
That actually makes sense. As long as the negotiated settlement doesn’t resort to more endless terror attacks each way and there is actual peace. 🤔
Facts. But we have nearly two thousand years of good examples there to draw on.
Something to keep an eye on, even after a settlement: there will be a lot of bitterness on both sides for a while.
