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We're actually on the same page - I am not referring to all blue collar, or low income, or socioeconomically disadvantaged (lol) "poor" people.

I am really just referring to the very small subset of people (who actually may not even be considered "poor") who make a living out of qualifying for public assistance. These are the people who will not work a full time job, even if they have the ability to do so, because it would disqualify them from benefits. Sometimes these are 2nd generation welfare beneficiaries, who watched their parents sit around, eat their government cheese, maybe do some odd job on the side to make some extra money that wouldn't be reported anywhere, but usually just sit around and wait for the next government check.

This is a VERY small subset of people. I don't want to imagine it as any larger than that, although some may assume it is larger than I do - and it is an extreme. I have benefitted from public assistance in my past, and you could make a case that I still do, even though I have worked for my needs for 30 years.

My point is that they do not want doors open. They are not looking for opportunities to work hard and improve themselves.. They have learned their existence is subsistence at the mercy of others.

You may want to believe that all anybody needs is a chance - and you're wrong. People blow their big chance all the time, or never even take it, or see it.

This absolute bullshit about equal talent, equal opportunity, equal anything - is crap. We are not equal. Period. Some people are just built different - scrap that, all people are built different. Some will see a chance to improve, and jump on it, and use it to improve. Others will not, even when presented the same chance.

My argument about "poor" people actually extends perfectly to those who live off their trust funds and family money and never need to work at anything. In my opinion, these people are just as "poor", because they never learn to work for (or on) themselves.

People do NOT have equal talent. Some are just better at things, others are not. For some, learning comes easy. For others, it is a struggle. Some will just never learn.

I would tell you to fuck off with your opinions on what my bias may be. I have one, and I won't deny it, but telling you to fuck off isn't helpful at the moment, so I'll give you the chance to understand.

WORK. DO THE FUCKING WORK.

Get good at it. Let other people see you doing it. Maybe they will catch on that you end your day exhausted, but feeling great. Maybe they'll see that no matter how busy you are, how sweaty and hot and dirty, if they ask you for help, you will help. Not to give them anything, but because, quite selfishly, it feels GOOD to WORK to HELP someone.

This isn't something you can give someone by opening a door, or dropping some change in a cup, or even knocking the silver spoon out of their mouth. It is something learned (in my opinion) by example, and the person would likely need to WANT to change (after finding something lacking in themselves) before following the example.

Work - like Voltaire imagined it. We can always be in the best possible world, because it is the only world we will ever know, and we can always be WORKING to improve it.

So no, this wasn't me taking a shit on the poor, or on academia. This is me pitying them, and wishing they would eventually find the contentment, the inner peace, the personal pride that only comes from WORK, not from being given things.

You seem like a rather cynical person?

I think the small subset of people you are talking about are a tiny percentage of people irl but that people (esp those who vote red) overestimate them, particularly because the word “welfare” has been so politicized in USA.

In Social Democratic countries like in Scandinavia — Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland — their residents/citizens don’t have to worry about going hungry, being billed thousands of dollar for going to the ER for a minor health issue nor do their not well off elderly work at Walmart/Target, etc. It’s because those countries have a generous social welfare programs, but higher taxes.

Norway also has free higher education for those who want to go to uni or it did years ago according to a Norwegian friend. He loves Norway and even tho he has visited USA several times, no way in hell would he ever want to live in America. (Perhaps he’d sacrifice if he fell in love with an American girl.)

Healthcare is a right and not a privilege in Scandi and other developed countries. Residents don’t go bankrupt because their healthcare system isn’t a profit based system.

Scandi countries also have very generous parental leave policy for both mothers and fathers, paid parental leave for over a year. I know Sweden does via a Diplomat’s son.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Scandi countries rate very high in Happiness index. Finland has been #1 for 6 years.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/world-happiest-countries-2023-wellness/index.html

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/03/charted-the-happiest-countries-in-the-world/

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