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About coinjoin coordinators.

There is a difference to be made between privacy on-chain and privacy at the network level.

Even if you have chain privacy you can tag the addresses with their respective ips and trace the user. Obviously this can only be done by the coordinator.

This is why Samourai and Whirpool have always sucked.

Whirpool:

- If you used the mobile wallet without your node, the coinjoin was useless because your public keys were exposed to the backend and with them all your past, present and future addresses.

- If you used your own node or sparrow it was also of little use, since both samourai and sparrow reuse the tor circuit, they only generate a new one if you close the application, and therefore the coordinator can tag the incoming and outgoing addresses at the time of registration and ruin the coinjoin. Whirpool has never been zerolink, the coordinator knew everything.

Wabisabi:

- It creates new connections for both input and output addresses, so the coordinator sees distinct identities, although I think it has flaws in its design due to the delay. We can consider it to be zerolink, at least they tried and were honest.

Joinmarket:

- Since there is no centralized coordinator it is much less important to create new tor circuits for each connection, still the coordinator (the taker) will know the ips of the incoming and outgoing addresses. I don't know if they are mitigating this in any way.

Joinstr:

- Use Riseup VPN for logging, everyone uses the same VPN, there is no possibility of tagging inbound and outbound addresses across relays.

You are assuming that the Whirlpool coordinator kept records of the coinjoins and IPs and you have no proof of that

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So it all comes down to trust in a third party, neither in cryptography nor in privacy can you trust a third party.

And more so when there are coinjoin implementations that have mitigated these problems.

There is no excuse, hence the stupidity of the samourai cult, something totally irrational by people who don't have the technical knowledge to understand these things.

The Whirlpool coordinator is blinded, it can't link input and outputs and TOR entities

😂 the coordinator can.

Stop repeat marketing, you were fooled.

Check the code.

Whirlpool uses a chaumian blinded coordinator. But I'm sure you've already checked the code.

You can learn something about the Whirlpool coordinator here

https://github.com/Samourai-Wallet/Whirlpool/blob/whirlpool/THEORY.md

I repeat again, they reuse the circuits, in the same documents it is said that it should not be done, in practice they do it. Again, check the code, check what tor does.

And the code honestly is crap and poorly structured.

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