I listened to the whole episode of this podcast for the first time yesterday.
They talk about bitcoin, but much of the conversation is about alternative, data-respecting social media.
This podcast is essentially about #nostr, but nostr:npub1trr5r2nrpsk6xkjk5a7p6pfcryyt6yzsflwjmz6r7uj7lfkjxxtq78hdpu , nor most anyone on bitcoin twiter heard of it yet. This is worth a listen or a second listen.