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WoT is about endorsement. That's why it has "trust" in the name.

Knowing who some npub follows doesn't necessarily tell me anything at all, about what they're actually looking at. I used to have over 1k follows, and I just looked at my relay feeds and some lists. You would need the relay traffic to know, and you can't necessarily monitor all of their relays.

I was happy to follow everyone back because it didn't mean anything.

> The current follow problem that I have can be solved client-side; where one can see whether the follow is reciprocal (why doesent Amethyst have this?) and how long since that person has been "active." (e.g. likes, zaps, profile updates, posts, replies, etc.) Then it should be trivial to unfollow dead accounts and the follow-list is more meaningful.

We actually have mini-clients that do this. I've used them, repeatedly, but it quickly leads to a dull, low-signal feed because the people who are the most-interesting to read are also often the ones that post less-frequently or more often on private or protected/AUTH relays, and they are much much less-likely to "follow back".

I'm well aware that my nostr:npub1l5sga6xg72phsz5422ykujprejwud075ggrr3z2hwyrfgr7eylqstegx9z account has a rock-bottom WoT, because it has no follows, and my nostr:npub1m4ny6hjqzepn4rxknuq94c2gpqzr29ufkkw7ttcxyak7v43n6vvsajc2jl has a lowish one, as I don't follow that many npubs, but I leave it like that, on purpose. In protest. I think follows are commie, designed to reduce our freedom, create rampant shadow-banning, force us to make all of our contacts public and easily searchable, and steer us all to be drooling influencer groupies.

Everything I've seen happen, on Nostr, since I got here, just solidifies that opinion for me. There has not been any counter-evidence. The whole situation has just steadily degraded.

Most people disagree with me, and cannot imagine how Nostr could work well without Kind 03, but I am not Most People and never have been.

my second degree of follows auto-whitelist design makes it possible for outbox model and personal relays to actually work. the "owners" of a relay have follow lists, and all the npubs on that follow list are spidered to find their follow lists, and from that the relay generates a whitelist automatically that changes whenever users update their lists.

it's a repurposing of kind 3 that i think makes sense - it makes a complete list of all the people who i might want to read or message.

with this list created, my personal relay functions effectively as inbox/outbox and so long as the people in the first and second degree of the owners follow graph use auth, they can post to the relay.

one of the things i have discovered, though, is the great majority of people are using clients that pick up these relay lists and then spam the heck out of the relay trying to publish events to it... but they don't bother authing. oh so sad. doesn't really use that much bandwidth, so idc. but the people who use good clients that do auth, and are in my second degree graph, are found on my relay. and there's quite a few of my follows that do.

the fly in the ointment is just the attitude of most funded client devs not giving a damn about implementing auth properly. but, seriously, fuck them. you can easy enough let your frens know "hey, i don't see your events on my relay, what client are you using? because it's ghey, i recommend x, y and z" and if the other person cares, they try that and voila. connectivity, without centralization.

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