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I want to adress what you said earlier.
"Men are fallible, God is not and as such we can only trust God's word not men's words."
I agree that man - singular is fallible.
If man is fallible that means that it is very hard for him to get along with his fellow man.
If they do not get along they disagree. When they disagree an opportunity is created for them to argue, discover and learn.
If they, through this process of reason, manage to discover some divine grain of truth. That truth will permeate the concsiousness of all men who understand that applying the knowledge gained will improve their lives and the lives of those around them. Proving the truth by manifesting it into their reality through working and refining their understanding.
Their fallibility is not detrimental to their pursuit of truth but the reason for it. When they form cults and groups it is a competition for truth veracity and dominance. The truth always wins in the end.
Sometimes God gifts us by injecting truth directly into our world. Like Exodus 20 God introducing himself to Moses and the life of Jesus.
We fallible men who are originally created in the image of God are the benefactors of divine truth and seek to understand it and when we realise something profound we seek to preserve it. I believe that this is a miracle of creation. That men could discover truth by reason of desire to understand pain and suffering in a dark world.
This makes the love of Christ for the oikoumene in John 3:16 more powerful and understandable. Because if God loves anything less than that He is diminished. When claimed that men who are created in His image and animated by his spirit are less than capable to discover, understand and manifest truth in the world. All glory to Him for being the source by virtue of being the creator. We can clearly see where he injected truth directly into the world.
Man's fallibility is a gift to us.
> If they, through this process of reason, manage to discover some divine grain of truth. That truth will permeate the concsiousness of all men who understand that applying the knowledge gained will improve their lives and the lives of those around them. Proving the truth by manifesting it into their reality through working and refining their understanding.
What makes us Christians though is that we believe the gospel and are saved when we do it. And even through 50 years of contemplation in a cave in Tibet - you’ll never learn that Jesus gave his life for us and that by believing that you are saved.
> Sometimes God gifts us by injecting truth directly into our world. Like Exodus 20 God introducing himself to Moses and the life of Jesus.
the Bible is God teaching us about his plan and himself. This is how we can learn about Jesus, gospel, what God wants.
> We fallible men who are originally created in the image of God are the benefactors of divine truth and seek to understand it and when we realise something profound we seek to preserve it. I believe that this is a miracle of creation. That men could discover truth by reason of desire to understand pain and suffering in a dark world.
Adam was created in the image of God. We are in the image of Adam.
> This makes the love of Christ for the oikoumene in John 3:16 more powerful and understandable. Because if God loves anything less than that He is diminished. When claimed that men who are created in His image and animated by his spirit are less than capable to discover, understand and manifest truth in the world. All glory to Him for being the source by virtue of being the creator. We can clearly see where he injected truth directly into the world.
Yes. And you learn it from the Bible, which God revealed to us.
> Man's fallibility is a gift to us.
No. It is a result of sin.
Contemplating in caves in tibet is not a useful tactic. The best way to discover truth is to search for it and caves is useful for hiding and shelter not searching.
The Bible is the most useful tool to discover the truth of which Jesus is the end of the search but the beginning of a life of freedom and peace. The journey does not end once you found life.
The preserved texts is this truth. We just copy and compile into convenient formats because we value it. We also make sure that it remains as close to originally written intent so as not to mislead or inject personal agendas into the text. Where there are many critical readers and scholars it is very difficult to corrupt a work of this decentralized nature.
Adam image of God we are in the image of Adam. Mans fallibility. I think these two discussion points should be the topic of further debate and deliberation.
But we should open a new thread on one of Willy's newer posts, because this one is becoming a bit loaded.
Maybe Willy can post something about Adam?