The most common misunderstanding about empires is this idea that it will all just collapse. Many years had passed before the Roman Empire was declared to have “collapsed.” It’s only when we look back in history that we realize empires had collapsed. What if historians in the future declare that America “collapsed” after Covid? That is certainly when things reached peak insanity. It’s all been downhill since then.

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2008 for me. QE started just to keep the corpse animated.

Maybe after 9/11? That’s when living in America changed.

Could be. I'm an EU commie, shit was dead from 2010s, covid finished it off.

Those 3 events: 9/11, 2008 GFC, and Covid seem to be the most important moments

The fact that the USA had previously funded the perpetrators, and had prior knowledge of their intent indicates that it had changed long before then.

Oh yeah for sure. I just meant the quality of life for the average American went downhill after that.

When the money breaks, those same people will be handling that crisis. This is a scary thought....and the band played on.