This again lol.

We are optimistic. Just not about big B Bitcoin. I understand your sentiment, "bring your energy to Bitcoin so you can make a difference", it's not defeatism to recognize that that path bears no fruit.

You're a real smart guy. I don't think of you as a maxi, just a bitcoiner. You want to actually have discussions, you like interesting ideas. I think you'll see what we mean one day. Some of us have been at this a long time.