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Some #GNU #linux programs are really trash, inconsistent UX, most notably example GNUpg with his fururistic chatbot-like experience that try to "understand what command you mean" failing everytime.

Another peak bad linux UX is the damned wireless wpa connection that require to use 5 different utilities inconsistent with each other just to connect to the damned wifi jesus and imagine to change resolv.conf file and set it to read-only just to make the dns-proxy stick and avoid network-manager rewritr the file every 2 minutes.

How many utilities are needed on openbsd? Just one, ifconfig. How pages is long a fucking config that set an automatic connection at startup with correct wpa resolution? 2 consistent and simple lines of config.

Hey nostr:nprofile1qqsw3znfr6vdnxrujezjrhlkqqjlvpcqx79ys7gcph9mkjjsy7zsgygpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsz8thwden5te0dehhxarj9ekh2arfdeuhwctvd3jhgtnrdakj7qgkwaehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvshspg7dju I think I'm near to join your "hate linux club", I'm still on a gentoo machine compiling gcc because I fall for the "linux is the common standard" narrative and I have solarpanel so can compile free basically.

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once_aphysicist 1y ago

Why do you have to do the network stuff manually? I haven't had to do this in many years!

Elephant in the root 1y ago

Me neither, on Linux. Except Rpi but that's just two simple config files.

ponymontana💜⚡ 1y ago

two simple config files if you will never require to switch connection and forget about it

Elephant in the root 1y ago

Even multiple connections are reasonably easy, just repeat the record.

ponymontana💜⚡ 1y ago

I intend switch connection on the fly like on a laptop, I'll curious to see how it works in the wild

Elephant in the root 1y ago

I didn't try that, just booting with different WiFis around.

ponymontana💜⚡ 1y ago

because the alternative is having a gui program that put all his gui dependencies and all his trash because it is in reality a fat wrapper for the 5 utilities we talked about earlier and now the problem are two because not only it will have problem and disfunctions but I'm a layer more distant to the pc and to find a solution I need to explore how damned this gui wraps the 5 utilities, how versioning is handled in my machine, and so on...

KISS is the solution, I want to use UNIX simple utilities where I'm able to understand what doesnt work and why.

Now on laptop I'm using network-manager with a terminal UI for all the functions and its bad (but less bad than all the GUI that are based on network-manager).

once_aphysicist 1y ago

You can't have it both ways, be close to the hardware, and have convenience. Pick one.

It seems you have discovered nmcli, that's a good option if you don't like GUIs. You could also check netctl, but don't know if it works outside of Arch.

ponymontana💜⚡ 1y ago

Maybe staying near the hardware is incompatible with an "immediate convenience", but if you spend time learning and nerding on it, it become the most convenient way to use the pc.

On openbsd, after reading a bit of documentation, the command line solution become simple and convenient, and easily extensible with scripts.

On linux, even after nerding on low-level stuffs you still encounter anti-patterns, inconsistencied and disfunctions outside of your control.

once_aphysicist 1y ago

Linux supports a much wider set of hardware. I don't know how long you have used Linux, but I remember the time when making WiFi function would require a lot of work thanks to shit manufacturers (like Broadcom). That's not the case any more. But for that to work, it is messy when you are close to the hardware.

ponymontana💜⚡ 1y ago

yeah thats true, hardware support now is much better and using openbsd is like goig 10 year back.

I frankly still use linux 100% of the time, I feel powerful, I'm on an open standard compatible with all things basically and doing dev work of any kind is a pleasure (maybe webdev is better on other platforms...).

But there are areas where *bsd do much better.

DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 1y ago

Just get a Mac, real UNIX descendant. Then run a FreeBSD VM to ssh into if your rather use FreeBSD but on sane hardware.

ponymontana💜⚡ 1y ago

Low end hardware is not a problem, I mostly dont need to do real work, just want compensate my enormous dick with having the most little, minimal, simple, optimized, secure and sane unix operating system.

ponymontana💜⚡ 1y ago

*crying in librebooted thinkpad from 2008 that my girlfriend call "the toy pc"

DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 1y ago

That's is definitely not Linux 😂

ponymontana💜⚡ 1y ago

but can linux be it?

Stripping all the unnecessery things from kernel + activate all the cpu attacks mitigations, IOMMU, all the kernel space protection and isolation, and even a MAC solution (but a bit anti-unix the idea of isolate programs, IDK if i like MAC).

Minimal grub instance, openrc to boot and manage deamons and even mangane wifi interfaces and connections (still need wpa supplicant and dhcpcd).

Musl libc, hardened toolchain stack-protection gcc based, wayland wlroots based minimal compositor (dwm clone), pure ALSA for audio.

From here all unix-like terminal based and, in the end, the big boi sir browser to actually do real things.

All the package (with the exception of the browser) are compiled on the machine fine-tuned to be minimal and strip out all the functions and abi/extension that I dont need (compiling mesa driver only for my machine, no code for other gpu for example....).

~100 mb on startup, fully functional without compromises, even a wallpaper, I can work with a python venv, go toolchain fully functional to test lnd and so on...

The problem with bsd is that, even if the base install is minimal, clean, sane and fully functional, I then need to take all the linux-userspace-packages to complete the os, and I end to need bash, gnupg and so on...

Here end my research, I dont know what I proved.

Elephant in the root 1y ago

There's a lot of trash software irrespective of whether it's GNU or not. I didn't experience the problems you describe for past 10 years. Though GPG has significant problems, that's true.

ciori 1y ago

I think that if you want to stay on "normal" linux, the best way is to run Fedora Workstation, at least it has the (imho) best sane defaults (security wise with uefi support, selinux and so on, btrfs and snapshots, etc ...) and only touch connestions using nmcli (network manager)