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that is crazy

I think thats why the aths and stuff never happen is btc is being suppressed to stay certain regions for time periods, and we havent even factored in OTC trades that dont show up in the market index or price index.

I can't imagine the about of OTC trades happening

I think this a why binance buys so much, they put in like 1.6 billion and no where to be found on the chart. Its a big big game on the back end. Most of the BTC/USD price index is retail and outsiders, i imagine cathy woods sells alot of what she bought in 2012 OTC

Interesting point about Cathy.

I think 10k price might be a true ground for this things with all the btc lost on drives and wallets no one can recover over the years its propped up to a good price, i think these bigger guys like the 15-25k price to get more people in then pump it and sell it and repeat, eventually with the halvings and other mechanisms it does take care of this problem for the little guys and over time as more little guys get in and keep propping it by the time of mass appeal well be alright but they definitely are playing with this thing to their advantage for now but soon as other country start getting in like el Salvador and 3rd world itll be a whole other story as well. I know for a fact 56% of the circulating rn hasnt moved for over 3 years. We are only working with 34% in the markets when you count all the new holders and so on in it probably shrinks 10% so 24% out there is being manipulated with. Once less and less liquidity out there hyperbitcoin will set in and thats why the real pumps happen. Just need more merchants and users not liquidating to fiat and its golden.

Im still looking at numbers all over but fuck its interesting, never want to be the one holding the bag for years only for a small percentage increase of the investment. Like buying bitcoin is dope and i do but just like with any other asset theres better ways to make and get a return which is why i trade it in futures and dont focus as much on just holding a bag.