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So, concession, or onto the next 'proof'? I highly recommend checking out Bart Sibrels work on this. He did a 3 hour Rogan podcast not long ago where he goes over all of it.

The nail in the coffin is the raw audio footage which has inconsistent delays to what would have been expected, and the 3rd voice telling them when to talk. It's completely fabricated.

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You're hearing what you want to hear with that "evidence." It doesn't disprove a thing that I said... Not even close. It just shows that in 1962 a MASER (microwaves) would reflect off the moon. Whoop whoop.

I know scientists who have done the lunar laser bounce themselves. In our modern times. They used a photometer, like photographers use, to count the amount of photos coming back from the moon.

When their beam wobbles a micromillimeter to the left of right of the mirror, they got zero photons back. But directly on it gets a measurable trickle. Regular ol' light.

Today you can buy lasers yourself that are far more powerful than they had in the apollo era. $200 can get you 2 Giga watts(!) of wood-burning laser that would be great to bounce off the moon yourself and see hit your photometer. I double-dog dare you.

Photons are not a real thing, but sure.

Light, just like microwaves, is electromagnetic radiation. If you think lasers being bounced off the moon are the best evidence for the moon landing, that's pretty weak. There is plenty of evidence that didn't go. I don't need to change anyone's mind or force an opinion on anyone, you can believe it and I will continue not to.