Because they’re fundamentalist fanatics who despise Western values and have no concept of human rights?
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I can tell you, from personal experience over many years, that that is not the reason.
GROK: Give me a simple table estimating how many humans have been killed by military action, directly or indirectly supported by Western nations since 1990, including those killed by Israel with Western made weapons and funding. Categorize by country.
Country/Region Estimated Deaths
Iraq
1,000,000–2,500,000
Gulf War (1990–1991): US-led coalition; Iraq War (2003–2011): US/UK invasion, occupation; ISIS conflict (2014–2019): US/coalition airstrikes, arms support. Includes direct combat and indirect deaths (sanctions, sectarian violence, displacement).
Afghanistan
170,000–240,000
US/NATO invasion (2001–2021): airstrikes, ground operations, drone strikes, arms to Afghan forces. Includes civilian, militant, and indirect deaths (malnutrition, disease).
Syria
500,000–600,000
US/coalition airstrikes (2014–present) against ISIS, arms to rebel groups, logistical support. Includes civilian deaths from airstrikes, war-related famine, and displacement.
Yemen
150,000–400,000
US/UK arms and logistical support to Saudi-led coalition (2015–present). Includes airstrikes, blockade-induced famine, and disease (e.g., cholera).
Libya
20,000–50,000
NATO intervention (2011): US/UK/France airstrikes, arms to rebels. Includes civil war casualties and post-intervention instability.
Somalia
20,000–50,000
US drone strikes, arms, and training for African Union forces (1990s–present). Includes civilian deaths and famine linked to conflict.
Palestine (Gaza/West Bank)
40,000–50,000
Israel’s military actions (1990–2025) using US/German/UK-supplied weapons (e.g., F-35s, bombs) and US funding. Includes ~41,000 in Gaza since Oct 2023 (per Gaza Health Ministry), plus earlier conflicts (e.g., 2008, 2014).
Pakistan
50,000–80,000
US drone strikes (2004–present), support for Pakistani military ops. Includes civilian and militant deaths, some indirect.
Other (e.g., Mali, Sudan)
10,000–30,000
Western arms, training, or limited airstrikes in counterterrorism ops. Data is sparse.
Total Estimated Deaths: ~2,000,000–4,800,000
*Sources: Costs of War Project (Brown University), Gaza Health Ministry, UN reports, Airwars, Yemen Data Project
When you say “it is not the reason”, do you also mean that this is not true that they are fundamentalist fanatics with no concept of human rights?
I will just leave this here
That definitely proves your point and puts you on higher moral ground
Yes.
Or more accurately, while there are some fundamentalist fanatics in those countries and systems, is it MUCH less than the ideology you represent, given the measurable number of mass murders of humans world wide.
It is telling, for example, that you did not address the data I presented in support of my argument.
Why?
Some fundamentalist fanatics? Who are actually the ruling class in each of them?
