Nostr Web Client

You are not supposed to edit them. You can block them by adding to the block list or unfollow the user using them. But that's it.

Of course, if you block specific relays, you will miss posts by that user.

Vyram Kraven 4mo ago

What do you mean you use to edit them in the past why would all them just get put into some state where your configs from before go out the window & all of them are just on with everything? There should have been some migration from this old system to this new one. Every relay that I had added with the up arrow off should have been added to the spot where you download but not send to.

Why would it connect you to relays you didn't add in your own profile yourself automatically that now I have to check the connected see them & then go to block relays as you say? There needs to be a better ux structure for this.

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Vitor Pamplona 4mo ago

There is no place for the old list anymore. So, migration is impossible. Frankly, the list should have never existed. It's a flaw of our first implementation that didn't follow Nostr's concepts at all.

The goal here is to only worry about where your connect is and should go. The app will figure out the rest based on your follows. This is way better than forcing users to choose which relays to connect to.

Vyram Kraven 4mo ago

I disagree with that. Seeing the relay list on peoples profiles & choosing which one you want to connect to is what decentralization is connecting automatically to anyone people have on their list first & then having to add to block second is imo wrong. It seem's to me you've centralized everyones relay choices through npubs till they realize they have to add everyone they don't want to block but the connections already been made & the data's been sent.

Vitor Pamplona 4mo ago

My biggest issue by far with users was how to make a relay list because they were not seeing the posts from people they followed. Couple different users every day would ask me a version of this question for the past two years. And they are right. It doesn't make any sense for them to have to do the work and pick which relay they want to follow.

Vyram Kraven 4mo ago

How to make a relay list? Add something to relays that gives them an option to broadcast their info to a list made by their own relay & the relay operator can add other relays list just like how npubs follow each other & then make a search in the client specifically for this nip which broadcast that list. The relay the person's connected to would check their own list first then the list of other relays that the relay itself is following. Does that make sense?

Vitor Pamplona 4mo ago

It makes for us.. but for no one else. So much so that list-based app only work because they centralized in the same 6 big relays or so. As soon as a person steps out of them, that person becomes invisible to most users that have never touched their lists.

Vyram Kraven 4mo ago

It would be up to the relay operator to add themselves to other people's list if they want to get discovered. Like if I spun uo my own relay. I would have to make my relay follow the 6 to automatically get subscribed to their list & add them to mine in order for it to come up as searchable. Then when people search it would come up. So if my relay follows yours but yours don't follow me back then your relay's added to mylist but mine isn't listed on yours.

Does this make sense?

Vitor Pamplona 4mo ago

No, relays don't talk to each other. That's by design. They can, but it is not their job.

Vyram Kraven 4mo ago

I see this as the solution why can't it be done?

Vitor Pamplona 4mo ago

There are many issues. Mainly that Nostr is not for this. For instance, relays cannot AUTH as you in other relays because they don't have your keys. If we allow relays to connect, then whoever controls the core relay set controls Nostr. And we don't want that.

Vyram Kraven 4mo ago

What do you mean Auth as me? What control is there by creating a relay follow list that the relay operator controls through the relay & he's only controlling his own list by choosing which relay to follow. It's not to follow the same suit as npubs following each other if that's what you mean?

Vitor Pamplona 4mo ago

Relays don't have your nsec, so if they connect to other relays to download things they need to auth as you and can't. So they don't download anything.

Vyram Kraven 4mo ago

It sounds like something new needs to be created here. This doesn't have to work like a npub profile. How would you make relays follow each other & make that a searchable list? Does there need to be identities made for them?

Vitor Pamplona 4mo ago

Why? We already have a solution in outbox client. We don't need any of this.

I am not even sure if a way exists without leaking your keys out. Many people have tried. They all failed.

Vyram Kraven 4mo ago

Outbox is for the user to send notes. I'm talking about creating a relay search list which then you could add a tab in search for relays to find relay's you haven't added yet. You've already read what I think on this automatically connect to every relay first so why should be known. Is that what is causing all this clunky loading i'm experiencing now because this is really bad I liked it the way it was before loading stuff was a lot smoother.

Vitor Pamplona 4mo ago

Outbox model is not only for sending notes. It's about using the outbox you want to keep your notes, the inbox to receive notifications in your relays and using everybody else's outbox setting to download their posts, regardless on which relays they use. That's the outbox model.

There must be something else causing the lack of smoothness for you. This version is almost 2x smoother than the previous one. The relays themselves use less than 1% of the processing power, so it must be something else.

Is it just the jumping of items on the screen? Are the images loading fast or are they also slow?

Vyram Kraven 4mo ago

Everything is slower., notifications don't even load that I have to refresh swipe a few times before they do. Same thing with notes on profiles it gets stuck loading. This doesen't happen on the older version before the switch to this.

Vitor Pamplona 4mo ago

On Notifications, you don't have any public inbox relays setup. It doesn't know where your notifications are. Just add e relays that have them. I am surprised anything was working before without public inbox.

Vitor Pamplona 4mo ago

For instance, the performance impact could be in the discovery panel, because now we load almost 2x the amount of different things as before on start up.

Vyram Kraven 4mo ago

Also I added nostr wine to blocked relays but it still keeps popping up it's message for me to pay. Does blocking work?

Vitor Pamplona 4mo ago

I will check, but hit the default relays for indexer and search. That will help I think.