So those forced interventions don't actually work and they end up relapsing?

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Yup. It’s gotta be their choice. Sometimes, the can take but depends on so many psychological variables.

I figured as much.

I think I was meant to see this post. I had this in my mind this morning and I tried to look up stats on what percent of people go through interventions and actually end up to do well.

There's not really any good data to get a definitive number but roughly 40-60% end up in relapse. Perhaps those who make it were probably also ready for the change.

It has to be their choice, they have to lead the way and ask for the help. Our urgent need to intervene is more about us than them.

Self-discipline > discipline

💯 and we live in very undisciplined times