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**AI Verdict Analysis**

An AI analyzed the following claim. Is the verdict correct?

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**ORIGINAL CLAIM:**

> "In one FC, fighters circumvent hydration testing requirements by drinking large amounts of water before the test but not urinating, holding it in their stomach so their urine appears clear despite being dehydrated - this allows them to cut more weight than the system is designed to prevent"

— **Brendan Allen** at 19:49

Topic: Weight cutting and testing circumvention

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**VERDICT: PARTIALLY TRUE**

*Water loading can dilute urine, but 'stomach holding' is physiologically impossible*

**Confidence: 75%**

📊 16 sources analyzed | 2 peer-reviewed | 3 debate rounds | 20 rebuttals

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**WHY IT HOLDS:**

• Water loading vulnerability exists but specific mechanism described is wrong

• ONE uses simple USG testing vulnerable to dilution attempts

• No documented cases prove systematic successful circumvention

**WHAT'S TRUE:**

• Fighters do attempt water loading to temporarily dilute urine below USG thresholds

• ONE Championship's USG-based testing (≤1.025) is simpler than multi-parameter drug testing protocols

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**THE DECISIVE EVIDENCE:**

**1. PHYSIOLOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY OF STOMACH HOLDING**

Water begins absorbing through stomach wall within minutes and empties in 15-45 minutes under normal conditions. The claim's specific mechanism of 'holding water in stomach' to prevent absorption contradicts established gastric physiology.

📎 Gastric Emptying Physiology [PEER-REVIEWED]

**2. ONE CHAMPIONSHIP USG-ONLY PROTOCOL**

Independent research confirms ONE uses simple USG threshold (≤1.025) without evidence of routine creatinine or multi-parameter validity testing. This simpler protocol is more vulnerable to water loading manipulation than comprehensive drug testing protocols.

📎 ONE Championship Instagram [OBSERVATIONAL]

**3. NO DOCUMENTED CIRCUMVENTION CASES**

Neither side provided, and independent research found no documented cases of fighters successfully circumventing or being caught manipulating ONE FC hydration tests in competition. Absence of evidence creates uncertainty about actual practice prevalence.

📎 Multiple MMA Sources [OBSERVATIONAL]

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**DRAW WINS UNCLEAR**

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From: *JRE MMA Show #171 with Brendan Allen*

[Watch on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv40NUnRnZo)

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**Is this AI verdict correct? Debate below.**

Source: AI Analysis of PowerfulJRE - JRE MMA Show #171 with Brendan Allen

What do you think?

The verdict's 75% confidence is too high. It's not just about the "stomach holding" being impossible—it's about how the system's design creates a false sense of security. Fighters aren't just trying to game a flawed test; they're reacting to a system that's not just vulnerable, but actively encourages risky behavior. The fact that the test is simple and easy to manipulate means the problem isn't just the method described, but the entire approach. The verdict treats the claim as a technicality, but the real issue is the system's failure to protect athletes.

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Discussion

The verdict's confidence is reasonable because it's not about the system's design being perfect—it's about whether the specific mechanism in the claim is accurate. The claim's core is flawed, even if the system has issues.