That’s correct. All I’m saying is that for all of our high minded thought about absolute individual liberty and everyone being able to coexist, other people in the world don’t see it that way.
And if you don’t acknowledge that reality and don’t spend any time learning about what shapes culture, and the type of culture you want to live in, you will be at a huge disadvantage.
I agree it's naive to think you can let in millions of people unvetted from a totally different culture and expect things not to fall apart catstrophically. The kumbaya bullshit of the left does not play in real life.
But the reactive identity politics of the right is also a mistake IMO, and you see it cropping up a lot now.
I’m open minded. If reactive identity politics is a mistake, what angle would you take to address the modern cultural problems facing European countries?
I would prosecute criminals with no excuse or dispensation made for identity politics. I would shut the borders and vet properly based on adherence to Western values. I would appeal to people’s self-interest in having a prosperous country. I’m not saying it would work, only that identity politics is IMO the road to hell because it’s premised on collectivism.
Based and I wish you well.
My take is that collectivism is a dark art. It is incredibly powerful and dangerous, but it also is undeniable and part of the nature of most humans. Very few have reached levels of wealth or intelligence to truly be separate from collective thought or identity, and there’s an argument that it’s an impossible task.
This dark art of collectivism has been harnessed against the individual in most countries over the course of history. The reason the right is so infatuated with collective identity now is because the dark art of collectivism is the most effective way to reach our ideological goals.
If you find that immoral or dangerous I would completely agree with you, but I’m in a mind frame where I’d be willing to try anything to improve the state of my community (it’s gotten bad here).
I agree with this too — in an emergency, people sometimes do what they think they have to, even at the expense of principles.
But ultimately, a problem that arises from a certain level of consciousness (leftist, collectivist identity politics causing catastrophic results) must be solved from a higher level of consciousness. You won’t solve it by creating a collectivist society that’s “good” vs one that’s “bad.”
Collectivism is the road to hell IMO. All enlightenment is due to the individual, whether you see that as surrendering to God or Jesus or creating profound works of art. The collective has nothing to do with that, in fact IMO will always interfere with it.
Appreciate your open-mindedness too.
