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I hope people will fight next time instead of freezing and going along..

I'm feeling good on that front. The overall trust in the system is so low, the overall anger among people so high, and the overall awareness of how badly we were attacked widespread enough that attempting this again won't fly.

That said, the sooner we can reach the point where any overreach by government is met by force, the better. When police go to arrest someone for speech, what needs to happen is either the police release them immediately, or those police officers are gunned down by that persons entire neighborhood.

We outnumber the bad actors at least 1000 to 1. Many of us are armed. And attaching a molotov to a drone is not only easy, it's pretty damn cheap. We win this conflict the moment we decide to. And if everyone realizes this truth, we might not even have to fight.

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nakad.ai🔱🦁🛡️🏯📿 2y ago

Remember when Justin Trudeau fled and hid in an undisclosed location when the freedom convoy came? They're so weak when push comes to shove. But weak men are also dangerous when cornered.

Seeker Erebus 2y ago

True on that last part.

What is best is if we can get and keep the freedom we are after, while retaining our moral integrity. Retaining moral integrity is the truly difficult part.

We can build independent institutions, fund them with bitcoin. Develop beyond any need for anything their fascist collusion can provide. We also defend these institutions with the minimum necessary use of force, and the maximum possible capacity for force. Then, we outlast them. Simple 🙄

Where things will get difficult is determining the minimum necessary force, and also what level of casualties can be tolerated. Even more important is remembering that just because something is necessary doesn't mean it is just.

It's a real problem. But I do believe it can be solved. In no small part due to being able to actually have this conversation.

nakad.ai🔱🦁🛡️🏯📿 2y ago

I believe they'll go after everything in which we depend on. So the key is to be self-sovereign in many different areas, and that enough people are informed and care, and opt-out, building alternative solutions.

Having thing such as nostr and bitcoin is elementary to protect our wealth and communicate in a sovereign way. But it's the tip of the iceberg. It's a long path to walk but I think it can be done.

I also think its interesting that you draw on the moral dimension. I believe bitcoiners are very principled and values integrity, so I hope this culture will be instilled and nurtured, and we don't have to resort to using force to protect ourselves, that psychologically and game-theoretically it will be discouraged.

Seeker Erebus 2y ago

Well ideally, the minimum necessary use of force is zero. The problem is, we don't get to set that value. Our opposition does.

Bitcoiners already are playing a force game in hashrate. We just have a single social rule that the force will be wielded electrically, not kinetically. It's that use of force that allows for permissionless spending at all.

If we can get our opposition to play that same game, then everyone wins. If we have enough force capacity to convince our opponent not to fight us, then eventually everyone still wins. What I can't accept is for us to lose, because we would rather lose than kill.

Seeker Erebus 2y ago

And yeah, long path to walk, but I'm actually convinced most of us are walking it. Stumbling a lot, but still.