The alternative was the whole point when you first replied, people should be using doggie coin if they want fast cheap public transactions or Monero+Tor if they want fast cheap transactions with more privacy

Lightning absolutely makes people rely on the cloud, it's batshit mega insane to pretend everyone can run a node currently

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And I don't even see how you'd argue that running a lightning node isn't just using your server as part of the cloud shitcoin Will was talking about

Dogecoin? Are you serious? If I wanted cheap transactions in a currency that’s going to 0 against bitcoin, I’d use Venmo.

Monero is the one that trends to 0 against Bitcoin so far. Bitcoin trends to 0 against doggie coin throughout doggie coin's entire existence.

Maybe you're using childish zoomed-in charts or making some insane future prediction that defies all logic