Replying to Avatar Max

Why?

well hang on

do you mean "the entropy is guaranteed to be so vast as to be incalculable"

and if so, can we verify that guarantee?

Reply to this note

Please Login to reply.

Discussion

Yes.

Did you ever try opening a wabisabi round with a Boltzman tool? It either says "N/A" or it just crashes.

i mean

a tool crashing isnt precisely a guarentee 😂

my point is just that end users should be able to verify their privacy gains before using whatever tool

idk, how could the end user verify the quality of RSA 512 bit keys?

idk, try and factor them?

so it IS "trust me bro" in that same way.

in that the end user relies in the implementation and theory and can't independently verify.

it does seem like a problem to me in the case of smaller projects.

tldr, what you think is a bug, is actually a feature.

Here the long answer:

nostr:naddr1qqgrxetyx43njdrxv33nvdecxcerqqghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxz7n6v9kk7tnwv46z7q3qklkk3vrzme455yh9rl2jshq7rc8dpegj3ndf82c3ks2sk40dxt7qxpqqqp65wj03utj

excited to read it 🙏

Entropy is never guaranteed

Entropy is the average uncertainty and we can trust averages to be average

Security relies on min-entropy, not Shannon entropy. Min-entropy bounds the worst case: the probability of the *most likely* interpretation, not the average.

Since H_min ≤ H_Shannon, proving high Shannon entropy guarantees even the adversary's best guess has astronomically low probability. We're not trusting averages, we're using the average as an upper bound on the maximum.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I was just addressing the obvious misunderstanding of what entropy is.

oh I see now why you're making the point about minimum entropy

this totally answers my question.

feature not a bug, as you say 🙏