“But like the Chinese software only runs on the Chinese hardware. Like the Chinese party state and the great firewall and all the Chinese apps only run on the Han Chinese, like in a sense of hardware, right?

They themselves say that their system is not meant to be exported outside China, right? The opposite of that, what's opposite of Apple, it's Android. It runs on any device.

It's messy. It's chaotic. It's free.

That's the Internet. So China versus Internet is like Apple versus Android, right? And so if you take an Internet first view of things, what is Internet first?

It's freedom.

It's freedom. That's right. But basically, it's freedom.

And so we would call it freedom versus order. They would call it, we'd call it freedom versus oppression. They would call it control versus anarchy, right?

So you want to have a balance of something which is ordered liberty”

From The Peter McCormack Show: #100 - Balaji Srinivasan - The Collapse of the West, Jul 30, 2025

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