Forum logs for 02 Feb 2012
pentarh
S3052 r2d2
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Joric
damn, it'll take a hour to transfer everything to mtgox
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Someguy123
damn it
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Someguy123
market is stablizing at 6
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Someguy123
almost
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sailingtim
yeah almost
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sailingtim
5.9
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Someguy123
ughh, soemone needs to buy at 5.7 now
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Someguy123
so I can earn my BTC back
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Joric
some day it'll hit 30 and fall back to 0.1 i want to be on mtgox when it happens
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deegy
i still don't have my 0.7
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Joric
i bought at 7.13
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Someguy123
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Someguy123
uhhhhh
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Someguy123
mtgoxlive is broke.
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Cory
We'll surpass that today, Joric.
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Cory
Joric: Er, minus a dollar maybe.
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Mqrius
Someguy123: http://www.btccharts.com/
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rawrmage
lol
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rawrmage
Cory: you know something I don't? :)
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Cory
Haha, I misread the number.
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Someguy123
GUYS, BITCOINS ARE ONLY 5.7 ON BTC-E!
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Staatsfeind
Someguy123: Don't shout.
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Someguy123
>buy on btc-e
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Someguy123
>sell on mtgox
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deegy
will no one send me 0.7 for $4.50 paypal
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Someguy123
PROFIT.
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Mqrius
Someguy123: Go, then.
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Mqrius
No one has money on btce
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Joric
Someguy123, how? you have to transfer fiat money as well
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phraust
heh, first time i've been int he green on bitcoinica.
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Joric
if only there were interchangeable btc-usd coupon codes )
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benjamindees
yeah
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blognewb
so
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Someguy123
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blognewb
what explains the sudden surge again
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Someguy123
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Someguy123
4000 BTC transfered just in that block ^
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blognewb
did this cause the increase? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/02/01/investopedia72345.DTL
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Someguy123
and that was at the same time mtgox went crazy
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Joric
6.12
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blognewb
Fuck i was holding on waiting for the price to go down 5.1
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copumpkin
Someguy123: 4000 btc isn't all that much
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blognewb
Someguy123 are you in UK
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Someguy123
blognewb yeah
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blognewb
Someguy123 well we cant use btc-e in the us
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HunterTheBunter
one person decided it was time to buy 35k btc (or small group)
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blognewb
HunterTheBunter what was that map, does that mean the buyer is from dallas?
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Someguy123
blognewb I sold at 5.8
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Someguy123
then it went up to 6
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Someguy123
so now I've LOST money if i try to buy now
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rawrmage
do we have to go through this againm
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blognewb
Someguy123 well you dont sell at 5.8 unless you got btc for 2cents
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rawrmage
stfu your definition of lost is wrong
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HunterTheBunter
blognewb the map? sorry which map?
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ocminer
anyone likes to buy a used carpet ?
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HunterTheBunter
my guess is this person is in Australia
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HunterTheBunter
just woke up here :)
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blognewb
HunterTheBunter http://blockchain.info/block-index/857905/000000000000094e4f6cde66fa7a62d5612a9203abcd995d8ee9ea83f04ee8c5
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blognewb
Who bets this will go down the next day
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Mqrius
blognewb: I'll take that bet for 3 bitcoin. I don't think it will touch 5.5 tomorrow.
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blognewb
Mqrius not that much
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M4v3R
it probably will, unless another person decides it's buy time
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blognewb
Mqrius it's already down to 6.02 :)
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blognewb
gimme your btc
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Mqrius
Huh? 6.02 != 5.5?
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blognewb
i didnt say down to 5.5
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Mqrius
I did
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blognewb
itll go back down probably 5.8
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blognewb
5.6?
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HunterTheBunter
blognewb wow how does that map know where transactions take place? from issuing client ip addresses? Even so, 4k transaction wouldn't be a 35k buy on mtgox
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blognewb
karl rove just found about btc
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copumpkin
HunterTheBunter: they're completely independent
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blognewb
why cant i use btc-e fuck
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phraust
i thought the location was where the block was submitted from.
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blognewb
M4v3R do exchange sites charge fees for transfering your btc out?
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sailingtim
anyone know a site that does visa to btc?
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M4v3R
blognewb: I don't know any exchange that does it
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Someguy123
wow.
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Someguy123
while it's rising on mtgox
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Someguy123
https://btc-e.com/exchange/btc_usd
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deegy
i want 0.7 bc
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Someguy123
it's dropping like fuck on btc-e
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M4v3R
Mt Gox limits how much you can withdraw in a day though
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M4v3R
lol
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blognewb
any US based members here tried using btc-e yet?
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phraust
I use it.
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phraust
for litecoin.
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Someguy123
blognewb how is it blocked in the US?
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sailingtim
is there anyone that can sell me btc for moneypak?
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blognewb
phraust can u use dwolla in btc-e
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Someguy123
blognewb you use paypal for btc-e
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phraust
nope.
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Someguy123
or your VISA
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blognewb
Someguy123 i thought paypal does not allow btc trading
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Someguy123
blognewb they don't
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Someguy123
;)
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sailingtim
visa? on which website?
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phraust
LR, Webmoney, Interkassa and Paxum are listed as USD options
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MBS
Free $5 amazon/paypal if you have an iphone/android and a US number http://www.clover.com/a?inv&t=al79p399six8 or 
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blognewb
Someguy123 come on man serious
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Framedragger
sailingtim: you can use a visa after you verify it on paxum.com, and fund your mtgox account via it.
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Greed
Wouldn't happen to have the BTC yet, would you, someguy123?
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Someguy123
Greed not really
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sailingtim
so i can add funds to paxum from visa?
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Someguy123
waiting for market price to drop
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Someguy123
o_O
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Someguy123
got $30 in mtgox
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Framedragger
sailingtim aye
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MBS
could see if someone wants to sell bitcoins for clover :p
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Framedragger
however, you will likely need to confirm your location identity. (I had to. went well. took a couple days.)
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MBS
clover allows first $200 (though $100/m limit) in credit card deposits to be fee free
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MBS
not sure if it counts as a balance transfer though
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Framedragger
*location and identity.
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M4v3R
5.99
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Greed
Going on a month.
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M4v3R
probably will drop soon
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M4v3R
a bit
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blognewb
M4v3R so you can do visa/mc payment on btc-e?
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blognewb
you guys tried that yet
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blognewb
YEY!
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M4v3R
nope
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Someguy123
blognewb yeah you can visa
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blognewb
oh fuck back to 6
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MBS
blognewb, no can just withdraw as paypal
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MBS
well i guess as paxum you can add money to btc-e from cc
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blognewb
MBS i mean deposit
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Joric
bollocks! bloody market!
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MBS
but not directly deposit with it
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Framedragger
..and 5.95 again. volatile as hell
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Framedragger
*5.90
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blognewb
ok im asking because i find their faq confusing
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sailingtim_
well can anyone trae btc for a moneypak?
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blognewb
"The presently supported payment methods are : Visa, Mastercard, ... Liqpay.com, unikarta.com, PerfectMoney.com, WebCreds.com, Ukash.com."
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MBS
yeah alot of people do moneypaks
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Framedragger
ah, has anyone used Liqpay lately, btw?
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btcpanhandler
want to trade mtgox usd for LR
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MBS
but yeah bitcoins are still 5.5 on btc-e
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btcpanhandler
anyone have LR ?
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Someguy123
MBS and it seems to be dropping
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blognewb
LR?
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Someguy123
which is severely fucked up
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btcpanhandler
liberty reserve
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MBS
but yeah, they only allow deposit from LR, webmoney, intercassa and paxum
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Someguy123
if I could add BTC-E funds
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Someguy123
via a mtgox code
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Someguy123
i'd be happt.
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Someguy123
happy
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MBS
well btc-e has tiny volume
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MBS
so couldnt really buy much anyway
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MBS
but could make a few bucks buying then selling as soon as it arrived at mtgox
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sailingtim_
i have a visa card and i want btc.. whats the best and fastest way?
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Someguy123
MBS Last Price: 5.5 USD
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Someguy123
Volume: 1014.86 USD / 187.576 BTC
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btcpanhandler
dwolla
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Someguy123
good enough volume for me.
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Someguy123
sailingtim_ btc-e or mtgox.
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Someguy123
herp
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sailingtim_
how on mtgox?
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sailingtim_
i cant find it under adding funds
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btcpanhandler
you cant
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MBS
amazon gift cards is an option but idk if imsaguy has been here recently
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MBS
;;seen imsaguy
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btcpanhandler
but you can on btc-e
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blognewb
phraust
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MBS
will lose some money going amazon gc route though
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phraust
yo
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blognewb
phraust how old is ltc? is it too late for me to join in the frenzy
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phraust
i dunno, iheard bout it a few months ago. I jsut set up aminer on litecoinpool.org
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phraust
cpu mining, nogpu mining that I know of.
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sailingtim_
mmm it all would depend on how much money. id much rather just go directly via visa
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MBS
btcpanhandler, he wouldnt be able to do it right away though cuz he would have to join paxum and do w/e there
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MBS
sailingtim_, do you have an iphone/android and a US number?
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sailingtim_
yes
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btcpanhandler
MBS, isnt the easiest way dwolla
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MBS
not fastest though
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blognewb
phraust wait you said you use btce for ltc? they do ltc too?
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MBS
ltc price sucks these days, lol
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phraust
yeah, ltc to btc and usd.
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phraust
but yeah, it's pretty low.
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sailingtim_
mbs yes i do
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MBS
could see if someone will take clover, a cell phone payment thing, no fees on first $100 this month
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MBS
well first $100 deposited through credit/debit
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sailingtim_
clover?
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MBS
3% fee after that
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blognewb
phraust what did you use to deposit usd to btce? if you dont mind me asking
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MBS
http://www.clover.com/a?inv&t=al79p399six8 or
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MBS
my ref link :p
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phraust
I didn't, I moved ltc to it.
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Someguy123
MBS sucks?
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Someguy123
it's going up
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MBS
if i had more bitcoins i would sell for clover but not a huge miner :p
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phraust
I just use btc-e for all the wierd othercoins.
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Someguy123
i sold at 0.001 a few days ago
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Someguy123
now it's at 0.004
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Someguy123
=_=
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MBS
ltc used to have a decent price, but almost worthless now
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Someguy123
MBS worthless?
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Someguy123
it's going UP
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Someguy123
and more UP
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phraust
yeah, whenI first heard aboutit was a .01 or something.
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MBS
well i havent mined in over a month
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Someguy123
phraust no that was due to bitcoins
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MBS
moved like 12 random coins i had sitting in pool over and got .01 BTC
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Someguy123
bitcoin was worth just $1 back then
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MBS
BTC was worth more than $1
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phraust
it was at around 3 i think.
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MBS
was like 3.xx when i was selling
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phraust
i'd just gotten back into it.
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btcpanhandler
sailingtim_, i think you can use a cc on btc-e using payment method "interkassa.com"
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bluefirecorp
Anyone willing to accept my paypal payments for BTC.. I'll generate a key later.
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bluefirecorp
By later, I mean before the trade >.<
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bluefirecorp
I have more forum rep than otc rep.. implying that the current system is educating them
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grubles
ok
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MBS
would be lolzy to see children whos parents never taught them to speak, only to work
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Cory
Hilarious!
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gfinn
MBS: it does not pertain to this topic though
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grubles
so the uneducated parents are supposed to use the system you are trying to abolish in order to abolish the system in the first place?
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Staatsfeind
grubles: I also think parents are responsible for the medical care of their children, but I don't think they need to all be doctors.
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gfinn
since children are generally expected to know how to speak before entering public schools
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gfinn
grubles: you're assuming using the public school system is the only way to acquire an education
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btcpanhandler
WTS mtgox usd for LR
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btcpanhandler
or btc
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luke-jr
MBS: I don't think that's possible.
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Framedragger
On that note, WTS WMZ for BTC/mtgox.
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grubles
gfinn: no im just going by what vrag said
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MBS
why not?
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grubles
grubles: > implying that the current system is educating them
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gfinn
grubles: that is not what vrag said, so no, you're not
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luke-jr
MBS: people will communicate, no matter what you do
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luke-jr
they can't work without that
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chsados
mtgox down?
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MBS
pff
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grubles
gfinn: on the contrare, that is what he said
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btcpanhandler
WHYY WMZ
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MBS
you overestimate communication needed for farmwork
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gfinn
grubles: are you intentionally misunderstanding him?
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Staatsfeind
grubles: I think most parents can themselves provide a primary school education (that's about K-6 in the U.S.). By about that age, I don't think most parents can, and children should start considering their options, but government shouldn't have shit to do with it, generally.
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Ken`
!ticker
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Framedragger
btcpanhandler: I've had them for a long time (a small amount, actually), would like to get rid of them eventually..
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bluefirecorp
Staatsfeind: No, horrible idea :P
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bluefirecorp
Oh wait.
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bluefirecorp
wrong person.. >.>
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grubles
gfinn: wtf are you talking about? he said 'using the current system' to educate which i would assume is the public school system
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gfinn
eh... yes...
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chsados
a5m0 u still here?
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gfinn
but he didn't suggest that parents should use it
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gfinn
as you say that he did
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MBS
why should parents be required to take care of their children, they can take care of themselves damnit
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chsados
mbs.... u dont think parents should take care of their children?
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gfinn
not that using a system to abolish itself is necessarily always a bad idea. it's just completely unrelated to what he actually said
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MBS
im sorta trollin :p
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grubles
i was talking about how uneducated parents would educate their children
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Staatsfeind
If/when I have children, they will not go to public school for more than a year or so, and that year or so, they'll go there primarily to learn just how fucked up it is.
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grubles
anyway, im not in debate mode
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MBS
grubles, duh, by teaching them what they know (alot of which is probably incorrect) and about jesus
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Staatsfeind
No, Jesus shit's abuse.
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grubles
MBS: when did you change your nick to MBS, luke-jr?
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gfinn
staats: heh
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joecool
lol
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MBS
lol
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gfinn
grubles: staatsfeind was merely saying that your question contained an implication
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MBS
though it would be cool to teach your children specialty shit
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MBS
like raise a child from birth to be worlds best sniper or something
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luke-jr
Staatsfeind: at age 12-14, you're an adult and should be looking into educating yourself
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grubles
or...to be the best quarterback for the football team
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grubles
which people already do
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phantomcircuit
and a buyer appears
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grubles
luke-jr: why is 12-14 so magical
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Staatsfeind
I disagree with 12-14-year-olds being adults, but they are capable of deciding for themselves what kind of education they need.
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luke-jr
grubles: that's when you become an adult
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grubles
luke-jr: according to jesus?
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Staatsfeind
grubles: It is well past the age of reason.
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luke-jr
grubles: according to how Jesus made nature
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Staatsfeind
According to biology.
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Joric
mtgox doesn't believe in its own market, its chart still has high 5.62
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grubles
i thought you were a 'man' when you can grow a full beard
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MBS
grubles, nah i mean like totally devoted to that task
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luke-jr
this extended childhood nonsense has only been going on like 100 years or so
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luke-jr
maybe 200
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grubles
lol
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grubles
you know why?
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MBS
like teaching him physics of a bullet, and about human anatomy, and engineering of the gun
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luke-jr
because atheistic society sucks
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grubles
because everyone's lifespan has been extended
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grubles
not thanks to god
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Staatsfeind
Rising affluence.
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grubles
but thanks to medicine and science
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luke-jr
who cares about lifespan?
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MBS sends luke-jr to the farm
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Staatsfeind
grubles: No, even people that could expect to live longer didn't have such expectations in the past about the age of majority.
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Staatsfeind
It's pretty cut-and-dry as affluence.
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smickles
the atheist society which i keep company with does not such :P
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helo
luke-jr: what bitcoin library/client do you use as a base for your bitcoin network interaction machinations?
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smickles
*suck
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grubles
i care about lifespan
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helo
offtopicness be damned!
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grubles
i wouldnt want to die in my 30s thanks to tuberculosis or something
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Staatsfeind
grubles: That's fine, but it's orthogonal.
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luke-jr
helo: huh?
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Staatsfeind
Are you trying to claim that people live longer because you're a child until you're 40 now?
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grubles
no i was simply asking what makes a person an adult
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MBS
JESUS
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Staatsfeind
MBS: stfu
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MBS
better behave, or jesus is gunna rape you
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helo
luke-jr: for eligius, for example... do you just use a customized bitcoind to broadcast your transactions, receive new blocks, etc?
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luke-jr
helo: yes, I just upgraded from 0.3.23 to 0.6 last night
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luke-jr
0.6 + 8 patches
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luke-jr
0.3.23 was like + 50 patches
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helo
neato
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luke-jr
wait, sorry
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luke-jr
0.6 + next-test + 8 patches
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luke-jr
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr.