I’ve been involved with Bluesky in some way since before it was announced. I’m a big fan of Jay and Paul and the work that’s happening there. I’m excited about what they’re doing.

I’ve been frustrated at the pace and form of working that bluesky is doing. This is honestly the same critique I’d give for farcaster and lens… and dnsp although the latter’s tech is less interesting.

I think big systems should be created with small pieces loosely joined. That’s how we got the web, open source, linux, etc… I’m not such a big fan of a few folks going off and figuring things out on their own in a closed way.

I pushed for and hoped that bluesky would have more public participation, and work more in the open. And that they'd build a less monolithic system, solving a BIG problem rather than small problem solutions built up. 

That said, I think there are aspects of bluesky's at_protocol which are better designed and built than nostr. I hope that we can learn from each other. I think bluesky got distracted by thinking they had to make a protocol FOR twitter, rather than just for something useful and twitter like apps but many others too.

Central to how twitter grew was because development could happen permissionless at the edges. It's what drives growth of nostr. At the moment, you can't really do that with farcaster, bluesky, or similar more closed open protocols.

I think we need to be learning from lots of projects and collaborating. I also strongly suspect that one protocol will win, and it won't win because it's better designed or has better tech. This is social software folks, it's made of people. People and communities of use are what will decide things in the end. Let's just hope that the communities and tech are structured in the way that help us build a better future and don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

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Love the insight and thank you for your reply!

agree with all of this 💯

Thank you all for your service to the people and the open-source community.

that has been my problem with slashtags,

it looks very interesting and hypercores have cool concepts, but the fact that so much of it is developed behind close doors and that the main holepunch/slashtags clients (keet) are still closed source is a big issue.

Fundamentally is an issue of emergent order/market discovery vs irreducible complexity trying to solve every possible issue in one stroke.

It’s the same reason why Costa Ruca feels 100x better than Austin.

Platforms vs Protocols, feel like all the alternatives to Nostr are treated as platforms by the main maintainers

Very well put.

The internet should return to open protocols over proprietary platforms.

I hope Nostr is a catalyst for this.

加入 waitlist 很久了。

The community is why I’m so hyped about Nostr above the others. I love how it’s an open extensible protocol that got to where it is now because a community of developers and bitcoiners made it home and added things like lightning support to the clients.

And it’s such an organic community too. It’s one of those rare new platforms I don’t have to convince anyone to use. People get into it as soon as they check it out.

Combine a community, passionate open source devs, and an extensible protocol and you have limitless potential.

Nostr has become so much more than it was even just a few months ago. Excited for the ride!

Very well said. Is there an approx date in mind for bluesky launch?

from an outsider looking in, lots of things I like about at proto, but it seems to me they are deathly concerned about bad pr from not having enough moderation available from day 1. If they want to protect “bluesky” by all means don’t open it up until that’s ready, but to be letting people into bluesky when at proto isn’t production ready leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

Thank you for sharing this. I particularly appreciated this reference. It’s a seminal design principle and—21 years later—still a worthwhile read.

https://www.smallpieces.com

My two favorite laws / theories for how we’re building the internet are “small pieces loosely joined” and also “We reject kings, presidents, and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code.”

I believe Unix also believes in the small pieces loosely joined philosophy.

The internet archive has a copy of the book online: https://archive.org/details/smallpiecesloose0000wein/page/n7/mode/2up

#nostr was built on these principles. You will like!

http://this.how/standards/

good words

Wow.

With Utah’s recent law requiring IDs for certain social media companies/platforms and the recent TikTok ban bill proposed in the US Senate (RESTRICT Act), how do you see these platforms evolving? Will there be efforts to build toward compliance or should the aim be censorship resistant or bust?