True, but also still true.

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Giving Ukraine to Russia wouldn't mean the end of victims because they don't treat conquered people well (as Donetsk and Donbas showed). We'll see what EU countries will come up with

I think we think very differently.

I generally don't like divisive statements like "them or us" or assumptive statements or assumptive conclusions based on biased observations.

I am unwilling, perhaps unable to pick apart your statements to the extent needed to submit a valid supporting or opposing view.

It's okay. We probably wouldn't get to any interesting shared point and we'd spend far too much time to discover that

Agreed

We're too old for that 😅