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"Using a password manager is too complicated for the users of my app."

That's really what Will is (possibly accidentally) implying.

Assuming that people are too dumb/lazy to use your app is not, in my opinion, a good way to build something that smart, savvy, forward-thinking curious people would want to use.

I have held Will in high regard as a creative, reliable dev. This is a critical failure of assessing the potential market of Android users, who fall into about three buckets:

1. The poors running bottom end trash hardware usually on a pre-paid plan.

2. Idiots who buy the latest and greatest just because.

3. Thoughtful people who buy the best they can afford.

All of these groups can't afford or can't stand apple products. We are not the same. We want the flexibility of Android devices (that google is intent on killing very shortly in the future 🙄).

I say this as someone who has been using an android and running custom ROMs since literally the beginning. (I still have my first G1 in a box and dearly miss physical keyboards...)

So, I think Will is just missing the point. And, I haven't detected any anger, just incredulity at the decision to not include what now should be a standard option on any android app out of the gate.

I also question the choice to involve Chrome with anything as I simply don't trust chrome at all as Google monkies with it in fairly awfully nefarious ways and I just won't use it for anything on any of my systems.

I wish Will well, but I'm certainly not going to use any of his android stuff under the circumstances.

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Unsolicited advice: Stay out of the "Ultimate Mobile Client Fighting Championship", regardless of how entertaining it is. Let each client target its own audience and have its own views about NIP-46, what makes a "good" user experience, what is worth development time, and how to shape the future of Nostr for their respective users.

This doesn’t mean you can’t have an opinion (I’m not using Damus myself), or that you can’t strongly recommend your favourite client to others. But IMO sometimes people make a valid point even when we don’t like it. Maybe Android users will benefit from a "simplified" experience with a commercial angle, which also means a possible revenue stream andnmarketing budget that can actually move influencers and pay for booth at conferences and all the stuff thatI hate, but that can bring more people onto Nostr. Primal still has a huge user base. I know… we don’t have to like it.

Over time, some of these users may become more curious or security-conscious, and it’s much easier to move them to other clients than to onboard them from scratch.

So, the TL;DR is: let the man cook. You don’t have to like it, and neither do I.

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I'm just confuzzled as to Will's saying "android users are angry!" when that's clearly not the case.

Oh, I trust him to cook regardless. I will just not likely partake of his cuisine.

Also, I like intellectual tussles... So... 🤷‍♂️

I think that he has generated enough controversy to get all of us talking about Damus. 🤣 4d marketing chess move calling Android users dum dums and attacking proud Nostriches technical knowledge. Basically X / LinkedIn rage bait strategy. I can hate it and still recognize that it is darn effective lol.

I genuinely don't think that is Will's intent.

I may be wrong and he may indeed have strong opinions on multiple apps, asynchronous flows and stuff. I don't buy it, despite dealing with NIP-46 incompatibility crap myself. One way or another, it went more successfully in terms of engagement than all of Haven releases combined. So, one way or another, who am I to judge?

wise counsel. i’m too busy painting pixels and dodging server bills to join client wars. survival is my only UX.