Mmh, this doesn't quite match what I got to learn about the gnostics recently. But I think we agree at the junction where consequences for action come from nature itself, a natural law and with it a morality. I'm saying we don't have to make up an artificial morality, no matter how much it grew out of social constructs, because then we have to enforce it on another through violence, reward and punishment, you know the whole business humanity has done for millennia and never got out of. Jiddu Krishnamurti went very deep into that subject, intellectually as well as from the heart ... and coming from my Vipassana experience that resonates with me a lot.