So in the end we end up with like "clean clients and relays" and "unclean clients and relays".

I'm just wondering how tenable the "clean" side is going to be. Are you guys going to fight using "costly credentials" like e-mail registration to try to fight the unwinnable battle against spam and "undesirables" ?

If you do, what is the difference between the "clean side" and twitter ?

Imho, people need to understand that freedom is messy and scary. Freedom is anarchy and chaos. But like Thomas Jefferson said :

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the boistrous sea of liberty.

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no idea what you're talking about

First of all. Thank you for everything you've done so far. I mean no offense at all with any of my comments.

I just believe that if someone ends up say "banned" client side, they will come back just making another npub and trying again.

There is nothing costly in having a voice on the public relays.

So clients and relays will need to implement costliness to either post or create accounts. whence : "clean clients and relays".

Other clients and relays will not enforce bans and thus will be cheaper. So there will always end up being "undesirable" voices coming through the "clean side" unless a walled garden is enforced.

Interesting discussion and it reminds me of what Justin Rezvani is trying to build with Zion.