Oh... sorry im getting lost in the hell thread I think. Paging nostr:nprofile1qqs00y32ptdnlfxa5hhv4f30dalwv9vl0a27pqpkdpkx3cyrstp50zqpg3mhxue69uhnwumjwgmkx6revvm8vmrg0fcxxvngdsmxc7t4denhvmr4da585undwsmnv6mzwv6xkmtev358y7r0v94kkcn3w4skgtnvda3kzmqpzemhxue69uhkx6rpv3nzumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6qghwaehxw309anxjmr5v4ezumn0wd68ytnhd9hx27prlx2 👆🏽
i'm lost too. People just share the link to the app they want people to use. Fountain and LNBeats are kind of the go to for music and I think that's what we're talking about but thb the Wavlake app is great.
we do have pod.link also that links to all podcasting apps. Why thats a number for the name idk. These links will have varying result based on how the app handles music but you WL music is on a RSS feed that these apps can use.
I’m already using Wavlake. So if I share on Wavlake it goes to all the Demu apps, if I understand correctly?
*using Wavlake to upload and share my music
Correct.
Uploading to wavlake will publish your music everywhere.
Uploading anywhere else will publish your music everywhere BUT wavlake.
Not to dredge this back up but its important to have historical context:
The whole "semi-walled garden" thing js the issue podcasters have with wavlake and are very confused why nostr bros still embrace it as fervently as they do when theres other more freedom and open protocol aligned alternatives that exist. Yes, they are less convenient, but from their perspective im hearing a lot of "wait, aren't you guys bitcoiners? Didn't think youd trade freedom for convenience. "
Ok so is there an option as straightforward as Wavlake or that’s something on the roadmap or no idea yet?
Its absolutely on the road map. nostr:nprofile1qqspdj6t8rlf5aytvcy0dfvkjyue9h79pyr9ynyrz8xnvz7yqg32h9qpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj76xfn5g and nostr:nprofile1qqs9qzn25rmt82te2lwh5cucje0nw35snmaw47cxplyurmg8eg5cu9spz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgjwaehxw309ahx7um5wgerztnrdakj7qgswaehxw309ahx7um5wghx6mmd9u9ydu77 team are working on something like that
I know nostr:nprofile1qqsr7acdvhf6we9fch94qwhpy0nza36e3tgrtkpku25ppuu80f69kfqppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy0hwumn8ghj7mn0wd68yttjv4kxz7fwv3jhyettwfhhxuewd4jj7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hsleq7kw and nostr:nprofile1qqs00y32ptdnlfxa5hhv4f30dalwv9vl0a27pqpkdpkx3cyrstp50zqpg3mhxue69uhnwumjwgmkx6revvm8vmrg0fcxxvngdsmxc7t4denhvmr4da585undwsmnv6mzwv6xkmtev358y7r0v94kkcn3w4skgtnvda3kzmqpzemhxue69uhkx6rpv3nzumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6qghwaehxw309anxjmr5v4ezumn0wd68ytnhd9hx27prlx2 and nostr:nprofile1qqs2p9fwkqd9vm4rqac0zvh87pqgt2k3l9csgks2jhc7wrxj89vwcmgpzpmhxue69uhkztnwdaejumr0dshszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qgawaehxw309ahx7um5wghxy6t5vdhkjmn9wgh8xmmrd9skctc8jlpr3 all have demu specific apps coming out. Not sure about hosting, I think they're more focused on streaming side and user experience. They can talk more specifically abt their projects tho.
So on those solutions, hosting would maybe need to be done elsewhere. Like nostr.build for example. It would be cool to have an all in one. Hosting included. Would make it easy for artists
its all open and anyone can build that
So it’s not on the roadmap. Ok I understand
Its not on his road map I guess, and thays fine. Do one thing and do it well. Excuse me sir, this isn't a microsoft. There are other road maps and projects.
Yeah I'm just a dude vibecoding stuff for nostr:npub14c7ksq2wln0s9nftjlr0wv2vqpg5xzvw7jezl3whczc0ff2y97eqerl5l2
Fountain has hosting and an app
PodHome has hosting and an app
Truefans has hosting and an app
Wavlake has hosting and an app
And the one you guys don’t like is Wavlake right. The other ones that host are good?
Wavlake is fine, IMO. They fill a need.
It's not that we don't like Wavlake, it's that Wavlake's code makes it so the Wavlake player can only play Wavlake music. If Wavlake's player played all RSS based music, I'd probably recommend most people use Wavlake. They give you a wallet and hosting and charge you 10% of your sats. Unless you're making $100 a month on your music, you'd pay less with a 10% cut than you would with a different hosting company charging a monthly fee.
Because they don't play all RSS based music, they go against my values, but if that ever changes, I'll send more people to Wavlake.
That’s what I meant. The walled garden thing. Wanted to answer quickly
Its like the custodial vs noncustodial lightning wallet debate. Do you run a full umbrel node? Or do you run zeus? Or are you using WoS.
To make the analogy, musicsideproject solution is like setting up an umbrel node, fountain or podhome are like running zeus and wavlake is sorta like WoS
I use all 3 of those node/wallet solutions. Just like I use wavlake sometimes. Like Derek says, it fills a need.
If you're looking for a turn key solution, a company like Wavlake that handles everything is exactly what you want.
Does Wavlake support your values?
Do you mind giving them a 10% cut in exchange for the service they provide?
If Wavlake works for you, use Wavlake, they're a great solution. But if you want more ownership, there's tools to do it yourself.
It's like changing your oil. If you know how to do it, you can choose to do it yourself or pay someone else because it's not worth the hassle. No shade with either decision.
I’m already using Wavlake. I was wondering if there was a similar option already available
Podhome, Fountain if you want hosting.
Music Side Project if you want to host it yourself.
Oh so podhome and fountain do the hosting too. Every person I spoke to gave me different answers about this. Im a bit confused. I’ll look into this. Thanks
ultimately, it's just a file sitting on a web server somewhere and you need someone to host that file for you. is it you? is it a company? what do they charge? what services do they offer along with hosting? think of it as a very specific type of website and you're buying webhosting for that very specific website.
I think the confusion is theres really two pieces of info being hosted. Your media files (audio and artwork) and your rss xml file (aka your rss feed/metadata)
So which ones do both? Only Wavlake?
Podhome is a hosting solution. Publishing is baked into the process by default.
Fountain (with their RSSBlue partnership) is an AiO solution and includes a player as well (just like wavlake)
There are others but I recommend looking at podhome first. There's lots of podcast hosting solutions and just a handful of ones catered specifically for music. Because RSS is open, there are certain standards but you can pick and choose what fields you actually utilize or even create your own as long as theres a compatible app that knows to reference it.
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These two can answer any questions, but yes, they have hosting. Fountain is also a player, and I believe PodHome is working on a player too.
Exactly. We (Podhome.fm) ca host your music and podcasts and will distribute it to all the apps (we also have a listening app ourselves). Fountain hosting can also host and distribute your content.
Our goal is to make it super easy for you to just upload and distribute.
Podhome and podverse are two different things. Podhome is hosting/publishing and podverse is streaming
agree here 100%. some apps will exist for the soverign individual and some apps will exist as full fledged solutions where they do the work for their customer. not every human or creator fits in the same box, so we need a wide variety of solutions for all.
hosting people's stuff is a non-starter for me b/c its a pain in the ass.
Self-host or use a hosting company. If its on the Index we all can us it and that how I built itdv.podtards.com
nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424 seems interested in that more than us.
Yeah podcasters have solved hosting for themselves. Its a non issue on their end. Nostriches are just now finding demu so they have to build their stack. That would include getting hosting right.
I dont want to see all products with all the same features sets. It'll be nice to have an all in one solution but i certainly dont want every product to be that.
If you need a product, then build it. That or go on a rampage on nostr for an entire day getting nothing else done pther than creating a hell thread and bullying nostr:nprofile1qqsr7acdvhf6we9fch94qwhpy0nza36e3tgrtkpku25ppuu80f69kfqppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy0hwumn8ghj7mn0wd68yttjv4kxz7fwv3jhyettwfhhxuewd4jj7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hsleq7kw into doing it 😉
Ok that said I think its important to also highlight i dont hate wavlake and I think without it, we wouldn't be standing here today. Thay said, I think we need more freedom of choice and I do think the wavlake product is flawed. I understand why it was built the way it was built when it was built, and I also understand why it cannot be upgraded on a technical/economic level. There's no animosity here. I'm just looking forward to the future and not sticking to safe know solutions ultimately holding us back.
