And no shade on them, a lot make some really cool stuff but for me, the producer tag is really about getting the music out and bringing in the funding. Quite a few home producers do that but have they ever tried to keep a band organised and on target making a record? That’s a totally different skill set. I’m happy to use producer when putting out Liotia stuff as I know I’ve handled that but until the INPC name brings in some dosh (if it does at all) I’ll stick with maker.