But why ? If it is going to increase in value WHY WOULD I SPEND IT ??? do you really think I am that dumb even though I am a normie :-) ????
I would spend the thing that is going to lose value .. #dollar bills ..
If y’all want Bitcoin to stay purely a monetary protocol- then start fucking using it as money.
Before you read this take, know that my ideal scenario is monetary protocol only. Also know that I think it’s fucking dumb that nostr:npub1wnlu28xrq9gv77dkevck6ws4euej4v568rlvn66gf2c428tdrptqq3n3wr got silenced for expressing a valid concern.
Here we go:
Hodling, sitting and waiting for NGU do NOTHING to increase long term demand for blockspace- which, in case you didn’t know, is needed to secure and stabilize the network once the block reward dwindles. This is what most people in Bitcoin do, unfortunately. This is why we started Conduit and why I’m personally hyper focused on marketplaces: if we can make global Bitcoin circular economies then there’s a chance this thing becomes self-sustaining and the phase change to zero block reward doesn’t result in fucking chaos.
So far, Nostr is the biggest circular economy here, and hate to say it, but since it’s all happening on Lightning we are barely moving the needle for base chain settlement demand. Surprised about empty blocks? I’m not.
Do all of you who disapprove of Core devs approach to increase block space demand actually use the blockchain for anything besides UTXO management when fees are low? Are you building anything that increases block space demand for monetary use?
nostr:npub1ej493cmun8y9h3082spg5uvt63jgtewneve526g7e2urca2afrxqm3ndrm is not stupid. He’s been writing about long term instability for years: https://petertodd.org/2022/surprisingly-tail-emission-is-not-inflationary
Important quote:
“To date no proof-of-work currency has ever operated solely on transaction fees, and academic analysis has found that in this condition block generation is unstable. To paraphrase Andrew Poelstra, it’s a scary phase change that no other coin has gone through.”
He also created Opentimestamps which is severely under used in my opinion (NIP 03 would enable so many great features for a decentralized social protocol).
Neither is nostr:npub17u5dneh8qjp43ecfxr6u5e9sjamsmxyuekrg2nlxrrk6nj9rsyrqywt4tp stupid. Or anyone else involved in the current drama. They’ve probably thought this through more than most.
You think these people are evil and don’t care about Bitcoin’s long term health? Think again. They are being practical and doing something about the blockspace demand problem.
You don’t agree with how they are going about it? Then build something that increases demand for block space in the way YOU want it.
Or run Knots. That’s a great and valid way to express that view. I support it. But make sure you’re prepared for the consequences if you win this war (stay sat flow positive)- and probably consider using the base chain more, or participating in the Bitcoin circular economy (which means spending Bitcoin).
I find it funny how so many people here celebrated big money and big government when it came in and are now surprised these same parties are taking action to protect their investment. If you don’t do it yourselves, they’ll continue to do so for you.
But why ? If it is going to increase in value WHY WOULD I SPEND IT ??? do you really think I am that dumb even though I am a normie :-) ????
I would spend the thing that is going to lose value .. #dollar bills ..
Quite rational
That is exactly why , currency always supposed to lose value ..
The downside is if you print like China does ( three times M2 compared to US ) , then you are forced to enact social systems to support the poor who never transfer fiat into assets .. cuz they are priced out .. or KYCed out .. #bitcoin is apex asset cuz it fixes that .. IT is not a medium of exchange..it is most liquid asset .. it is like mercury if you want to compare it to gold :-)
If it doesn’t also get used as a medium of exchange there’s gonna continue to be a massive wealth gap, probably even worse than before.
Wealth gap is not bad in itself .. cuz it is not abject poverty ! .. goal is to pull people out of poverty ..not make rich poor ! ..
Bitcoin does make rich ultra rich .. but it is good cuz it opens the doors to best asset class to every pleb .. I can stack sats ( lightning) without KYC , without minimum threshold and practically at zero txn cost ..
In other words ..Bitcoin is NOT socialism .. it is better capitalism cuz it opens up participation to every one with a smart phone ..
Most people are poor cuz they can't participate in capitalism.. they are barriered out
Expand your view of capitalism to more forms of capital than money
I’m not trying to make the rich poor.
Massive wealth gaps indicate inefficient use of capital (inclusive of all 9 forms of capital, not just money).
Yes it’s the best we have right now.
Yes .. that is a problem .. but #bitcoin doesn't fix that ..
You need a different tool for that .. may be spirituality :-)
Bitcoin is destined to be most liquid , most accessible , most open monetary network for the POOR .. to cast capitalism across the last village .. .. it needs greedy and super ultra rich .. 🤑🤑🤑
Not a medium of exchange .. a store of value for poor. .. Devs who help improve the monetary network will win .. those who try to use it for any other purpose .. or distort the usecase .. would perish ..
In other words .. #Bitcoin is UBI :-) ..
I don’t think we’re going to agree on the medium of exchange part.
But we agree on most other things, particularly “devs who help improve the monetary network will win”.
But you did .. right in your second comment .. you said rational 😂 ..
We normies have a uncanny ability to smell value .. you know we switch from Netflix as soon as the price goes up .. but we join back as soon as they lower it with ad supported .. we go across isles of physical stores to find the cheapest value bread .. and milk ..
We know sats are precious .. we are NOT spending them unless someone points a 🔫 :-)
All the devs , who are plotting to destroy this impeccable asset class provisioned by pure divinity .. would meet dust :-)
Because it will collapse if it is not being used. Then there is no NGU anymore.
Totally agree on NGU part .. number must go up .. but it doesn't if you treat it as currency .. cuz then number must go down :-)
The point here is to treat #Sats as fixed deposit .. and currency ( stables or physical ) as checking account ..
You would always transact from your checking .. and hold Fixed deposit as long as you possibly can ...
What bitcoin offers is this unprecedented opportunity.. I can open a Fixed Deposit without a bank account , without KYC , and without having to go to a physical branch , for as low as a fraction of dollar with practically zero fees .. this is the KILLER APP .. not buying coffee with bitcoin ..
Plebs can "stack sats " only if rich " never sell their bitcoin " .. that is all there to it ..
Stack #Sats
Never sell you #bitcoin
The purpose is primed .. locked and narrative is already out there .. no education needed .. you can't change it even if you wish ..besides it is already on best path .. 🙏
The problem is many devs don't see it cuz they are too close .. when you see it from a normie pair of eyes ..you realize how big opportunity is this .. like having a social ( nostr ) account , that doubles up as your fixed deposit ..
.. never in the history of mankind this happed except once before .. when Lord Krishna wore Gold Jewellery.. social appeal of gold + the never diminishing wealth .. nostr and bitcoin is same idea on steroids !
Never sell is the ultimate retardation
Yes .. if taken literally :-) ..
It means hodl as long as you can ..
This way, no infrastructure is built to spend bitcoin natively. Nobody accepts it as payment method.
Then the banks still control the on and offramps - and nothing changes.
Except that you save your value on a transparent ledger where the state knows your wallet - and your home address.
It is absolutely retarded.
Why infrastructure not built ? .. I am going to transfer my fixed deposit to kids .. may be to friends .. !
An asset is network .. bitcoin is the best network cuz I can transfer VALUE ..
But I don't need to do it for buying bread !
Btw .. ask yourself ..how the number has gone to 100 K with literally no acceptance of bitcoin as payments means ..
See the reality .. truth is right in front of you .. normies want to hodl bitcoin ..
#Bitcoin is literally the value transfer network .. using it for payments is stupid AF !
Particularly when I get free credit cards with 30 days of credit ! .. Do you really think a normie is so dumb 😭😭😭 .. we smell value .. we are value rats 😅