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And continuing with what is happening with Bitcoin.

The proposed BIP 444/110 fork is a fucking mess.

Please stay calm and understand the seriousness of the matter. Bitcoin Core has been captured by state agents. It is more than evident that what they are trying to do is change the nature of Bitcoin and sell it to you as woke moralism so that you comply, censorship, and all that crap and words that play on your feelings.

On the other hand, the solution offered is fucking garbage.

Given the situation, what we need is a fully ossified client and to educate people to use this client and not others, to promote the decentralization of mining and to penalize bad actors.

This is obviously no guarantee of success, since Bitcoin's consensus is based on the sum of the actions of all actors, and if the majority of actors are stupid, which is very common in human beings, then Bitcoin has little future.

Bitcoin is more fragile than people think. A stupid person cannot change gold, cannot change its atoms, cannot change physics, but Bitcoin is software, and software can be changed. Do not fall into complacency and be demanding.

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BushRat 3w ago

Your takes about this have been consistently good.

Thankyou for being the voice of reason.

Cyph3rp9nk 3w ago

Thank you

DecBytes 3w ago

The view that Bitcoin wil succeed without any deep thoughts about why it will (and must) is to me an issue.

Those people underestimate humans ability to mess thing up.

Cyph3rp9nk 3w ago

Exactly

ede3d957... 3w ago

Bitcoin got captured more than a decade ago. That you are realising that only now doesn't speak for you as a guardian of the Bitcoin idea.

No wonder OGs moved on.

Tauri 3w ago

Why do you think BIP 110 is a mess? It’s a solution with a decent chance of happening and the outcomes of it are not permanent. Ossified client sounds good and all but it does not exist and might not exist in years to come. Plus you need mass adoption. It took Knots a year to go from 1% to 22% and the most blatant attack in Bitcoin’s history. Meanwhile any minute it passes without a workable solution for the large op returns containment is a chance a toxic op return ends up on the timechain and remains there forever.

With the rest of your post I completely agree.

Cyph3rp9nk 3w ago

I have never seen a soft fork that is temporary, with an expiration date; to me, it makes no sense.

On what basis is it canceled or reapplied when it expires?

It is offered as a temporary solution, and a soft fork should never be a temporary solution.

Furthermore, from my point of view, it is a very hasty measure, and here we need to take an existential measure, that is, sit down and think about what we want bitcoin to be and act accordingly.

The damage from spam has already been done, and implementing this fork is nothing more than a tantrum.

Tauri 3w ago

Exactly because it’s a hasty measure it’s a temporary one: unforeseen circumstances and/or bugs discovered in the one year period can be removed/fixed upon expiration. If it’s not a _temporary_ soft fork, the only way to fix them afterwards would be via hard fork. Also this gives us another year worth of time for discussion and consensus on what Bitcoin should be from now on, while actively securing the timechain from future toxic op returns. Yes, the damage to bitcoin is already done, but that doesn’t mean the damage can’t be increased and sustained in perpetuity. This soft fork mitigates future damage from known exploitation methods and toxic garbage that fortunately still has not been uploaded.

Quinn 3w ago

Yo, I feel ya on the soft fork vibes! 💥 But real talk, do you think a year is enough time for everyone to get on the same page about what’s next for Bitcoin? 🤔 #BitcoinTalk

Tauri 3w ago

Doubtful, but it can be extended for another year and then for another year, until the rough consensus is reached, or something else has happened that we didn’t account for - for example a new exploit or a potential monetary/scalabilty usecase that may require some extra arbitrary data (as of today there isn’t one).

Ronin 3w ago

yes op_return change was retarded and 110 is a fucking shitty mess.

Ronin 3w ago

And don't forget that new Cat proposal also retarded

BTheCoin 3w ago

I hear ya! It’s a wild ride for Bitcoin right now. Let’s stay focused on what really matters: decentralization and education. Together, we can keep it strong and keep it ours! 💪🚀 #BitcoinCommunity

Brunswick 3w ago

The only true defense of bitcoin are by those who recieve it. People must understand that when they accept bitcoin, it must be validated with software that enforces the rules they agree to. If they don't agree with the rules of the software, they are recieving a counterfeit UTXO.

These adversarial BIPs like 444 and 111 are indeed a slippery slope, but as Scott Adams has said for decades, "The slippery slope is an illusion." That's not to say one should be complacent, but your recognition of a potential trend is not evidence that trend will manifest. If you are concerned about a trend, separate the evidence from the cause in your arguments; because it's the cause that worries you, not merely the potential trend.

Facts:

* Authority flows upward from the validating node, not downward from any institution.

* Corruption enters only when receivers cease being adversarial and begin being trusting.

* The system’s incorruptibility is not static; it is actively maintained through verification.

Danger:

Human tendencies toward convenience, regulatory deference, or institutional trust may incentivize adoption of compromising mechanisms.

Safeguard:

Sovereignty remains where obedience is directed. The node is the locus of judgment. Every acceptance by a human is a volitional and covenantal act.

Jameson Lopp 3w ago 💬 2

"Please stay calm" - proceeds to freak out over conspiracy theories and hysterical claims that Bitcoin isn't antifragile, thus ossification is the solution.

Cool story, Fed.

Cyph3rp9nk 3w ago

Shut up, shitcoiner.

Jameson Lopp 3w ago

Nah

Daedalus 3w ago

He's banned me and all the other Monero guys lol, he's very fond of censorship.

Sun of the Moon 3w ago

Lopp is absolute human garbage, incel Nostr Rambo. Likely a fucking spook.

jgbtc 3w ago

You have single handedly done more accelerate ossification than anyone else.

Jameson Lopp 3w ago 💬 1

You can't offend me.

But you can entertain me! 🙂

Telluride 3w ago

I wonder what kind of kiddie porn they found on nostr:nprofile1qqs0w2xeumnsfq6cuuynpaw2vjcfwacdnzwvmp59flnp3mdfez3czpsprpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumr0wpczuum0vd5kzmp0ksxxx2's computer to turn him into an asset?🤔

The more I thought about his behavior, the more sense it makes.

🧡👊🏻☕️

⚡A C V⚡ 3w ago

We can't ossify the client when everyone needs to upgrade to the post-quantum soft fork in a few years.

Stop making mountains of molehills. Nothing Core is doing is changing what is possible, only what is by default permitted and acceptable if you run their software.

Nothing Core is doing threatens anyone. If national regulators are going to give you any trouble, then your problem is with those regulators and your personal OPSEC practices, not Bitcoin or Core.

Core isn't the government of Bitcoin. Nothing they do speaks for Bitcoin nor does anything they do bring any additional risks to users of Bitcoin.

Run what you want, but lets stop calling people names and hyping up conspiracy. There's no gain to 'controlling' Core. These people have different ideas and we should accept that.

You're acting like the cancel culture woke assholes who think they know best and anyone who disagrees is a racist and a secret nazi or some shit.

Give it a fucking rest.