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You should also understand, that every country, unfortunately, has nazi scum — including Russia, which actually may have it even more — yet that alone does not justify war military invasion! If it does, then any government war is justified, because governments always tell you they were provoked by the bad guys, don't they?

Another claim is about US sourcing Ukrainian nazis. I'm happy you dropped the allegations you made, but couldn't source the last time — about Ukraine bombing Russia first. I will ask *exactly the same question* this time: please /cite/, where it is said anything about «Obama funding the nazis», because I failed to find that in your sources myself. Prove-it-or-drop-it.

The only source supporting that, your very main source, is the podcast [11a] — I don't really trust people talking about political "secret happenings" without better sources than their opinions lol. If there are sources they're using, cite them, not the podcast! The source [12b] — your "clear FBI evidence!" — tells abou 4 US neonazis being trained by Ukraine neonazis. Third source [12a] confirms that: “… an unsealed FBI indictment of four American white supremacists from the Rise Above Movement (RAM) declared that the defendants had trained with Ukraine’s Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia”. What's so weird about scum from US learning from scum from Ukraine, and where is the funding & Obama here?

I try to argue in a good faith, but it really feels you don't even read ling you're citing, if they seem to even closely support something you *want* to believe. Just like with the vaccines...

To be honest, I don't even get the basics of this discussion.

Like why some people so much open the point of "Nazi"?

Are there any in UA? Yes.

Are they in Russia? Yes. In USA? Yes again.

So what?

Whole EU is taking fascism as a guideline to rule and nobody cares, so why this should be any reason to start killing people?

Same with corruption.

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Antifascists from UA tell that Nazis are indeed the problem there, but Russian discourse has stretched it a lot wider than it actually is. Also, you're fully correct that Russia has Nazis as well, with whom Russian government OFFICIALLY COOPERATES. So nazis was never–ever the honest reason, tho Russian propaganda uses it as the main.

But of course.

In general why should I listen to any reason given by (any) state propanda?

Like was Korean war a police action?

Was 1968 Invasion of Czechoslovakia "brother help to people"?

I find all these talking points mostly irrelevant.