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Huberman is a real expert on the human eye and spreader of the phone light is bad story that is passing around various health influencers.

I remember his original most detailed post about how the eye uses light to regulate sleep and a couple of very important points have gone missing in the game of telephone that is influencers passing the information around.

Detail 1. The eye and brain team is sort of taking a rolling multi day average of when you see the brightest light. Noon day outdoors on a sunny day is typically cited as 100k lux. My 65" TV just measured 250 lux at 1ft. So, the sun is a mere 400x brighter.

Detail 2. The eye doesn't use the same sensors to see as to set your circadian rhythm. The circadian rhythm sensors are looking for the sun at noon and are positioned ideally for that, meaning that they respond much more to overhead light than light below your eyeline or directly in front of you.

Put those 2 together and rethink how to use light to improve your sleep. Even if you hold your phone above your head like some kind of weirdo, the noon day sun is 400x brighter and will win that battle. A baseball cap outside at noon is more of a threat to your sleep than the light from a phone before bed.

The original Huberman protocol reflected those facts. The plan was to get a few minutes sun exposure with no hat or glasses on first waking, noon, and around sunset. No real mention of screens.

Later he partnered with and started advertising for Roka who sells blue light filter glasses. Then the screen fear angle took over his comments on the matter. No way to sell you "go outside for 15 minutes a day" so the advertisers won over scientific accuracy.

I'm not saying screen time can't disrupt your sleep, only that the content matters far more than the light itself unless you are a cave troll who never sees the sun. Hardcore Henry is a great movie, but maybe not right before bed.

What do I do? I go outside without a hat and glasses around noon. Cloudy week in winter? I stand under a plant light I have that is 10x as bright as my TV for a bit. I use my phone whenever but try to be deliberate about what content as bedtime nears. Well known sitcom I've seen a dozen times is in. Arguing on nostr or action movies I've never seen before are out.

Maybe the influencers should partner with plant light companies instead of glasses companies and fix their science. Bonus, better seedlings with the better plant light. Can your blue light blockers do that?

Thanks for the write-up.

I’ve been trying out blue light glasses recently. After using them consistently for a month, I’ve found that I do like wearing them at night while watching TV.

I never really had trouble falling asleep, but I usually read before bed and avoid screens. Spring is a bit different, though, because of work, I end up watching a lot of hockey during the playoffs. I’ve noticed that during that period, it usually takes me much longer to fall asleep. With the blue light glasses, I haven’t had that issue.

Could just be a placebo effect, but so far, they seem to help.

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Placebos work great. I still dim and yellow shift all my house lights in the evening. I just like it. I think any effect is sleep hygeine based not from the colors having a circadian disrupting effect. Almost any pre bed ritual consistently applied can help.

Interestingly drugs must beat placebo to get approved. For unknown reasons antidepressants are getting less effective over time. Meanwhile placebos seem to be working better. Today most common antidepressants would no longer clear the hurdle to get approval.

For me, hockey would fall into the too exciting content being the cause of staying up.

I think you're on to something with the pre sleep ritual. Spending more time in front of the tv at night probably has something to do with it, especially with how bright it is, compared to my indoor lighting. Either the blue light glasses dim the lighting, making it feel more "normal" for my pre sleeping hanits, or it's a straight up placebo. Either way, it's working for now

Do you mean antidepressants get less effective for the same person or statistically across patients in general?

Statistically if you put a new person who has never done them before on them it is less likely they work than the same scenario 20 years ago.