What are some examples you’d give to closed source shills?

One that I use often is MongoDB

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MongoDB is a closed for commercial use, source-available database (https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/LICENSE-Community.txt).

Coldcard and Umbrel are the same.

MongoDB, however, is not a #Bitcoin company.

See here:

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I like all of these companies but Blockstream is the only one I’d consider as being successful so far

And even they had kept Liquid close source until very recently in its lifetime

I understand that but they started as open source and only did that after Amazon started copying them wholesale. Not excusing the change just pointing out that you can have a ton of success with open source.