Core v30 logic: Filters donโ€™t work, so letโ€™s destroy our reputation trying to force people to stop using them.

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i am still not sure what to think about this topic,

yes filters dont work.

isnt the new cap 100kbytes ?

or am i wrong?

What do you mean "don't work?"

Do you mean "Don't stop 100% of spam?"

If so, walls "don't work" because things can go through them, body armor "doesn't work" because missiles exist, and boats "don't work because they can sink.

Do you mean makes more difficult to spam? Because yes, they demonstrably do. Side channels are expensive, andusing gossip with filters requires massive coordination.

So what do you mean "filters don't work?"

you can just run a core node and "spam" the chain

it will be a valid block and the knots node accept it

but will not relay the "spam data"

its only policy but not a fork

Yeah, I know that.

I recently went from knots camp to core camp. Listened to an episode of the Bitcoin podcast. Turns out v30 could result in smaller blocks with more transactions in them. The episode was with Michael Tidwell, and he explains it very well. I think the knots camp mean well, but at this point are just getting really emotional and not looking at the code

Yeah, if you want to abdicate the ability to run a full node. Pruned nodes are not sources of truth.

I have looked at the code Tidwell is not accounting for full nodes, only pruned nodes when talking about smaller blocks with more transactions.

This is the same logic behind "Give them a safe place to shoot heroin instead of on the street."

Not only will they not shoot heroin where you tell them to but, it just makes them use more heroin than they otherwise would.

Tidwell is a smart guy, I just don't think he is being circumspect about the fact that spam is not about incentives. It is about being a dissident and making your mark where people don't want you to.

It amazes me core devs sound more like ethereum devs every day. They're actually saying things like not everyone should run archival nodes now.

Muting altpub pew-pew

I just went from the core camp to the knots camp. From what I understand higher size images with fidelity can be added natively with core 30. This now invites bad actors to put illegal images on the chain

Core logic: we are corrupted, so letโ€™s destroy our reputation trying to save the world

You know I must admit...I use filters when Im not feeling pretty... when my moods are al over the place just to feel good ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜‚