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Why do you sound so hesitant? Didn't you say that people only do bad things when they have selfish or sinister beliefs? Can someone act on selfish or sinister beliefs without "meaning to"? Is it ever right to accept an apology from someone for an action they took based on a selfish or sinister belief?

You said that the root of all hurtful actions is immoral beliefs, but you also said that a person can never change their beliefs about what is moral. How can a person ever stop repeating the same hurtful acts if the root of those actions can never change?

Why aren't you saying that forgiveness is always wrong? If everyone already knows what is moral and immoral then how could forgiveness ever be justified?

Justin Prater 1w ago 💬 1

The source of all actions are beliefs. Morality is absolute and exists within the conscience. Immorality is moral inversion. You know what's right by knowing what's wrong an vise versa. Bad people have to know what's right in order to go against it or invert it. They know that they're bad and they try to protect their own ego by creating delusions to cope with it and then project those lies to others so they can believe in a false reality.

Yes, selfish, or distorted morality (sinister), false beliefs.

NO. Nobody can act on selfish beliefs without meaning to because every action is first consciously acknowledged. You don't do anything without consciously thinking it through unless you're an actual retarded robot.

And if someone is generally selfish it becomes a subconscious habit. And they mean to do what they do. You don't accidentally do something selfish. You intentionally disregard and ignore the rights, feelings, and dignity of another person but would be upset if that action was done to you.

You're patronizing me right now asking me questions knowing I make sense and learning from me and then start pretending like the shit I'm saying doesn't make sense when it clearly does to protect your arrogance. You started off asking valid questions just to start being disingenuous.

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Scoundrel 1w ago 💬 3

I asked you a simple yes or no question: "Is it ever right to accept an apology?" You didn't answer that question with a yes or a no. Regardless of if I'm being genuine, shouldn't you be able to explain why you chose not to answer with a yes or a no?

If people always mean to do everything they do, (because people aren't actually retarded robots) and if people never change their beliefs about what is moral, then is there ever such a thing as a sincere apology?

If you can't answer these, can you at least give me an example of a selfish or sinister belief that a bad person might use to guide their immoral behavior?

It's fine if you see me as a scoundrel, but can you please articulate what part of my questions strike you as disengenuous?

Justin Prater 1w ago

Because I don't go back and forth with disingenuousness. I'm not answering a question that's self-evident. I believe you're just asking me questions waiting for me to say something that doesn't make sense just so you can point it out and undermine me. You're just going to keep going and going and going as if i have to answer to you to be right. Simply by the questions you ask i can tell you're being condescending and disingenuous. Yes going back and forth with someone acting in bad faith is meaningless.

A meaningless back and forth im not going to do. I can answer the questions but i choose not to and Whether or not i answer to you doesn't mean i don't have one nor do i have anything to prove to you.

Justin Prater 1w ago

A meaningless back and forth im not going to do. I can answer the questions but i choose not to and Whether or not i answer to you doesn't mean i don't have one nor do i care about your opinion or have to prove myself to u

Justin Prater 1w ago

You said I was being hesitant. Maybe it's my wording, but clearly accidents and mistakes happen and when you apologize for those it's sincere. But there's no such thing as accidental selfishness or evilness because those are deliberate states of being.

When a selfish person does something malicious, they meant to do it, and they can only sincerely apologize when they regret it and is followed by not doing it again.

Deep psychological deception and half truths allow people make-believe in incomplete knowledge creating an illusion or acting as if those beliefs or ideals were true.

So it would be true that they are pretending as if they believe in something when they truly don't.

A selfish and delusional person will lie to themselves and make-believe that life is about survival and if hurting or disregarding others ensures survival then they will do so. Or that if they lie, steal, or sabotage their way to success, they won't face any consequences if they ignore their own wrongdoings.