Nostr Web Client

disagree that RSS does what NOSTR does.

Only some usages overlap. Both have unique features.

Absolutely - features are different .. in fact every rss client may offer different features just as Amethyst offers different features v/s Damus ! ..that said , I was talking more about the underlying philosophy - e.g. being able to get the content without having to subscribe (no KYC) . A website or podcast doesn't need to know who am I and where I am ! kinda ..

Now here is the fundamental difference ...

rss works on top of http(s) ..which means despite good intent (for anonymity of the subscriber), the construct is superficial .. means a hacker can find what I am listening to and where .. of course there are ways to protect but most users wont employ those tools .. http essentially drives centralization - as happened with the internet overall ... rss is kinda a sliver of goodness residing with in the pool of darkness :-) who is better than you to know how strong Apple and Spotify are despite all the good intent (of rss community) ...

nostr (and bitcoin) is built on gossip protocol .. it obviates the need of central servers .. in that , relays are NOT servers . Server serves me based on my credentials stored with them, on the other hand , I can simply go to a relay and pick up what is mine - kinda like the difference between a sit down restaurant ( server) and a Chipotle ( self service) . Crude analogy but the point is in the "http world" a waiter (third party) needs to know what I ordered and where I am sitting (location) .. in "nostr land" all that information grab by middle men is removed by design .. In addition , what relays store is not the content .. it is simply the rss style fields .. a specific set of fields for an event type ...

Thus nostr is simply a better core tech ... that said .. a podcast wouldn't be called a podcast if it didn't support billions of existing user .. we may call it a nostr-cast but that is a totally different product ..albeit a better one but without any user :-) .. just the way I would not call it an EMAIL unless it supports all the smtp and pop based email clients ..including mut :-)

So the path is to build a better solution on #nostr and make sure it is backward compatible ... not only for podcast , but for email too .. and many more great tools crippled by http ,,and eventually the entire internet ..

Disclaimer : My technology interpretations may be wrong for lack of research on my part ! This thread has ton of great devs to correct me !

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Adam Curry 1y ago 💬 1

In your example, the rss podcast namespace payment splits are a requirement, as the current advertising based podcast industrial complex is built on opposing philosophy; namely knowing as much as possible about the end user of the download.

Cracking the code of easy listener on-boarding to lightning thus requires custodial payment solutions that in turn require kyc

This is the conundrum.

Podcast content creators need to monetize, censorship resistance is not important to them.

Satosha 1y ago 💬 2

Spot on ..

The revised saying is .. come for the (easy) #zaps and stay for the revolution 😀

Most creatives are naturally attracted to #nostr because of ease of zaps .. not only from end consumers but also to enable collaboration .. for example if I want to start a publucation today , I should be able to find producers, editors, writers and host of other roles here on #nostr and be able to zap them for their work (or set up splits on the final product ) .. aka #creative-economy

I think there is huge innovation currently in progress ( with for example #Cashu ) to enable cash like features in a fashion that LSPs ( or #Mints in this case) wouldn't know the identity of zapper .. and it will be frictionless .. e.g. I won't be required to hop on to another browser ( or wallet) window to stream my #sats .. net net .. Zaps in the killer feature of #nostr ..and it is going to get attention of the very best devs .. I am very hopeful !

As far as the censorship resistance is concerned ... It is the foundation of underlying protocol that #nostr (and #bitcoin) are built on .. it may not be an immediate apparant attraction to the users ( or creators ) ..but in the longer run , this is what wins the battle against INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX .. time and again , we have seen if something could be centralized , it will be .. protocol(s) alone can't fight the battle but they can sure give the creativity better ammunition..

Adam Curry 1y ago

on a way podcasting is alsocensorship resistant. We enabled over 70 apps and services to is ethe PodcastIndex, decentralizing away from apples index.

https://podcastindex.org/apps

I've never heard of a feed being taken down. But feeds could still benefit from being relayed through nostr.

Satosha 1y ago 💬 1

Absolutely.. that's the reason I am such a big fan .. 🙏 for leading the community..

And hats off to rss community - for doing it through sheer will and perseverance .. #nostr is an opportunity to leverage the superior technology ..

.. the most centralized industry is "money" .. literally the nation states with huge armies ..... with #bitcoin, #plebs have a chance to crack open the big banks - at least a hope ..... I imagine similar technology leverage for podcasting , news publications , music , streaming , sports , retail ...

Adam Curry 1y ago

Amen to that! Also, why are devs still in telegram groups dealing with scammers and fake profiles? Where's the nostr version of this?